Talk:Andrej Hlinka

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[edit] Slovak Hitler

Source, [1] The Irish Times, www.ireland.com; "Honour for 'Slovak Hitler' prompts outrage SLOVAKIA: Slovakia's parliament has voted to honour a politician and Catholic priest who compared himself to Hitler, prompting outrage from Jewish groups...". Andrej Hlinka claimed he was the 'Slovak Hitler', yet nothing can be found in the article to this effect only a weak reference that "the higher staff of Father Hlinka's party were in the pay of the Nazis.." Should this topic be covered in the article? Sadly the full article on this topic can only be accessed by subscribers of The Irish Times it seems. Hobartimus (talk) 21:22, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Found another source "He is infamous for proclaiming in 1936: 'I am the Slovak Hitler. I will restore order in Slovakia like Hitler did in Germany.'" And another one from the same article, "After his death in 1938, Hlinka was honoured as a national hero by Jozef Tiso's short-lived pro-Nazi Slovak regime during World War II but was then considered a 'clerico-fascist' by the following communist regime." Apparently he was a hero to fascist, but a fascist himself to communists. source [2]. Hobartimus (talk) 23:35, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Newspaper is not a very reliable source. No offense, but I have read a newspaper article saying that Ljublana is the capital of Slovakia and a nice map of Croatia was attached to it, so I don't believe everything written in newspapers...147.175.98.213 (talk) 13:12, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Can you find some monography or better, a historical record?147.175.98.213 (talk) 13:16, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

One of the above sources here is the The Irish Times (an Irish daily broadsheet news paper launched in the late 1850s.) which has its own Wikipedia article as you can see and is highly reliable. Further sources [[3]] about Slovak activists demonstrating against Hlinka with signs saying "Hitler, Hlinka – jedna linka" maybe you could translate that for us. Another source [[4]] confirms again "Andrej Hlinka 1936-ban egy nagygyűlésen kijelentette: "Én vagyok a szlovák Hitler, olyan rendet csinálok itt, mint Hitler Németországban."" (translation, Hlinka said in 1936 " I am the Slovak Hitler I will bring order to Slovakia like Hitler did in Germany" This source also mentions a Slovak paper "Plus 7 dní" who also wrote about this subject. Hobartimus (talk) 19:29, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

You answered with more newspapers... You wrote about "priest who compared himself to Hitler". You gave references to other people comparing him to Hitler.

At the time, he is supposed to have said this, there were newspapers, broadcast, television... Is it recorded somewhere? That is what I mean by "historical record". Not an article in "Plus 7 dní", which is known to print everything that looks like a sensation.

I don't say it is not true. I say, that your references are not reliable.

147.175.98.213 (talk) 22:20, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

I didn't write any of this I merely quoted these sources. Please really read The Irish Times article before you call it not reliable. Also in 1936 they barely started the first TV broadcasts from the Berlin Olympics they did not follow every politician's every speech like they do today it was a rarity. I just checked and found the following sentence "The Czechoslovak Television started broadcasting in 1953 from Prague" so they could hardly cover an 1936 speech. There were newspapers of course probably thats how the information survived to this day. Instead of wondering about TV broadcasts you could really check some Slovak language sources and find out everything about this quickly. Hobartimus (talk) 22:35, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

It is easy to argue with an article in The Irish Times, I don't have access to (and most people don't). Image and sound recording was invented in the 19th century and were used here from the beginning of the century. Regular radio broadcasting in Bratislava started in 1926 and even earlier in Praha.

If it is true, there sure are some records, at least some comments from that time. Find one of these sources please. Or at least a source citing one of these sources.

That "Slovak Hitler" sentece was printed only in communistic newspapers "Slovenské zvesti", nowhere else. In fact Hlinka called Hitler as "cultural beast" at the meeting with German minority politics. [[5]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.216.154.233 (talk) 20:59, 14 February 2008 (UTC)