Talk:Andrei Tarkovsky

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Contents 1 No subject 2 Date of death 3 Tarkovsky template 4 Concentrate 5 Tarkovsky and Russia: Exile 6 Friendship with Sergei Parajanov 7 Failed GA 8 Copy

[edit] No subject

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[edit] Date of death

Many Russian sources (google Андрей Тарковский родился) and German version point to December 29. --EugeneZelenko 03:43, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I've heard of the uncertanity around the date of Tarkovsky's death before. Someone recently edited it from December 28 to December 29. Searching for "tarkovsky december 28" and "tarkovsky december 29" in Google (without the quotation marks) nearly gives an equal number of results. Any ideas? If we do not know for sure, the article should at least say so. --JonasRH 15:14, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

It seems to be uncertain, one reliable book on Tarkovsky says that he died in the night of the 28th to the 29th. On the other side, on the grave stone (see the picture in the article) it is clearly the 29th. So I take this as the official death date. Dassiebtekreuz (talk) 01:20, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tarkovsky template

I've put together a Tarkovsky template at User:Staecker/Template:Tarkovsky. It looks like:

v • d • e Works of Andrei Tarkovsky Feature films Ivan's Childhood • Andrei Rublev • Solaris • Mirror • Stalker • Nostalghia • Voyage in Time (with Tonino Guerra) • The Sacrifice Student films The Killers • There Will Be No Leave Today • The Steamroller and the Violin Screenplays Concentrate  • Hoffmanniana Books Sculpting In Time • Time Within Time: The Diaries 1970-1986

Any comments before I stick in on the pages? Feel free to change it around if you have ideas. Staecker 18:29, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

No objections, so I'm putting it in. Staecker 18:04, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Concentrate

Does anyone know why Concentrate is no longer listed at imdb? Estrose 23:55, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

I was curious about this, so I sent them a message asking about it. But it might be related to this: http://ucalgary.ca/~tstronds/nostalghia.com/TheTopics/Marina_and_Alexandr.html (the script was never shot, a documentary was made but A.T/M.T didn't like how it turned out/was manipulated, so they didn't want to be credited?) 0cm 22:43, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Concentrate (screenplay) was never-filmed and exists only as a screenplay, see the interview in the link above. Fragments of Concentrate were filmed many years later for a documentary. Dassiebtekreuz (talk) 14:46, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tarkovsky and Russia: Exile

The article says that Tarkovsky chose not to return to Russia in the final stage of his life. I don't think this is true. He was told by the Soviet authorities that he could not return while he was making Nostalgia. This forced rather than voluntary exile caused him immense pain as he was unable to see his family who were unable to leave the USSR. He also dearly loved Russia - as the movie Nostalgia shows - and talked himself about how the theme of that film - the yearning in the Russian heart for the homeland - suddenly became the central experience of his life while he was making it. The grief Tarkovsky felt about being cut off from home and family was immense. He didn't (and wouldn't have) voluntarily chosen never to see his loved ones again. ThePeg 2006

As I've read it, he was declared a "non-person", which might sound strange today, but in those days, not so much! But he also said at some point that he didn't want to return to his homeland now that they were ready to welcome him (he won the Lenin Prize in 1990, posthumously). My view is that he was bitter and hurt about the whole thing. I'm not sure about his family, did he have a big family to begin with (I know he grew up with his grandmother, mother and sister as his father abandoned them -- I've added a link that might be useful about this, I didn't recall if his son had joined him, so I guess that's a big issue!)? This article could use more info, but I'm almost afraid to touch it! XD 0cm 22:41, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Friendship with Sergei Parajanov

Maybe something could be added about his relationship with other filmmakers? Parajanov, for example, considered Tarkovsky a close friend and dedicated his last film to him (Ashik Kerib). Esn 08:53, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Failed GA

Intro should summarize the article better, one FU image has no FUR rationale, entire sections don't have a ref. Sumoeagle179 (talk) 20:24, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Copy

This article appears to be primarily written by someone whose English is not their first language. Thus there's some curious word usage, some errors, and parts are hard to comprehend. It needs rewriting.

Also, there's some gaps in the timeline. Some sections make no logical sense, since there's missing information. It is unclear why he ended up in Italy, or whether or not he defected -- just as one example.

The whole article needs further attention from an English speaking expert. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.239.195 (talk • contribs) 14:25, 20 April 2008

He defected without making any official statemnet, but simply refused to return to the Soviet Union. He tried to stay away from politics and media to avoid risk of being attacked by the Soviets, and he knew what he was doing. He chose Europe, because he was censored several times during his career in the Soviet system, so he defected in pursuit of artistic and personal freedom. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.166.33.223 (talk) 23:13, 17 May 2008 (UTC)