Talk:Andre Dawson

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[edit] MVP

In '87, Dawson allegedly was the only MBL player ever to be MVP for a last place team. Trekphiler 04:04, 19 December 2005 (UTC) Alex Rodriguez won the MVP for the last-place Texas Rangers in 2003.

Furthermore, can we get an edit on the last 2-3 paragraphs on this? This was clearly written by someone with a distaste for Dawson, constantly emphasizing speculation about how Wrigley field 'SURELY' helped Dawson's offensive numbers and citing his 'average' .323 OBP, while overlooking the fact that the man ~did~ appear on the majority of Hall of Fame ballots, which would prove that he was surely an above average player, even at a glance.

On the contrary, I am a huge André Dawson fan, having watched him as I grew up in Montreal. As an Expos fan, I would love to see Dawson in the Hall of Fame -- he is one of the few remaining hopes for players to go in with a Montreal cap. I felt it only fair, however, to mention how many serious fans of the game such as Bill James interpret Dawson's career. The paragraph on the Hall of Fame does not overlook Dawson's support -- it starts off by saying he received 61% of the vote. No question has been placed on Dawson being an above average player -- there are many above average players who have had average or even below average statistics in some categories. He remains (as noted) the 4th highest Cub in career slugging, and the 6th highest Expo.

I think THE HAWK is awesome and badass but it is true that in many circles, certain numbers like his OBP, are what make him a borderline case for the Hall of Fame. His park- and era-adjusted WARP3 (Wins Against Replacement Player) in 1987 was only 7.7, making it inferior to 4 of his seasons with the Expos in the late 70's/early 80's. His peak WARP over the five years from 1979-1983 was an above average 42.0, while his career totals are just over 100. Compare that to Dale Murphy's 46.0/91.8, and Murphy is a guy who will never get in the hall despite being a better fielder and overall hitter than Dawson (Murphy's WARP3 in '87 was 11.7, FYI). Or how about an outfielder from a slightly earlier era, Dwight Evans, who, despite having WARPs of 42.0/112.9 is long gone off the ballot.

[edit] Reference to Harold Baines

The reference to Harold Baines was a paraphrase from the Phil Rogers article (which unfortunately seems to now only be available to ESPN subscribers). It was intended only to show that it is anticipated that Dawson will no longer hold this distinction, and not as a supporting argument either way for Dawson's candidacy. To make this an argument, it would be more appropriate to show players with similar hit and RBI totals and whether or not they are in the Hall of Fame. Isaac Lin 19:14, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dawson's job at the Marlins' front office

How long did he worked there?