Talk:Ancel Keys
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I am not a nutritionist, but do have an interest in this field and believe that the Seven Countries study of Ancel Keys has being much criticised. Should this piece on Ancel Keys mention criticisms of the Seven Countries Study? If expert nutritionists wish to challenge me here, I shall bow to their superior knowledge. Yours, Cardamom
the following paper is the cohort study including CVD mortality. Keys's study may not be the first, strictly speaking.
DOLL R, HILL AB. Lung cancer and other causes of death in relation to smoking; a second report on the mortality of British doctors. Br Med J. 1956 Nov 10;12(5001):1071-81
This is reprinted in BMJ, 328 (7455): 1529. (2004)
The problem with epidemiological studies is that they can only show an association, but not prove cause and effect. Ancel Keys was a nutritionist and associated the incidence of CVD with diet. There is a much closer correlation of the incidence of CVD with geographic latitude, and thus ambient temperature. If this is the right answer then fifty years have been wasted promoting dietary change in populations to little effect. The incidence of CVD is now falling, but this is possibly mainly resulting from global warming. Warrenward 22:18, 22 December 2006 (UTC)warrenward
I agree with Cardamon. It has been documented by Dr Uffe Ravnskov that Keys deliberately selected his data to support his hypothesis. There is no correlation in the data sets available to him at the time. This probably set back finding any true relationship between heart disease and diet by 50 years. I disagree with Warrenward. The incidence of heart disease is not falling, but the number of interventions carried out such as bypass and angioplasty has increased phenomenally which tends to reduce the number of deaths from CVD. Another thing which correlates with latitude is sunshine and hence vitamin D status.
I'd certainly like to see a reference to Keys' bad science. This would not be popular with all the other bad scientists out there who adhere to his much disproved hypothesis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwbeal (talk • contribs) 19:20, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Poor grammar
"Keys attended the University of California, Berkeley, where he received a B.A. in economics and political science (1925), an M.S. in biology (1929), and is a '30 University of California, San Diego Alumus receiving a Ph.D. in oceanography and biology from the Scripps Institution of Oceanography."
Does that mean that Keys received two degrees from Berkeley and one from both UCSD and Scripps? Whatever it means, the grammar is flawed by faulty parallelism, and "Alumus" is misspelled and wrongly capitalized. Unfree (talk) 07:27, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
