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[edit] Vandalism
more vandaliam "Gradually, as god of air, he Farted. came" he farted??????65.41.209.22 (talk) 14:32, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
You may care to do somthing about the "You are gay" and what not's laced into the document here. --205.211.50.10 02:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Spelling
Just for grins, here are the results from a Google search to see which spelling is preferred:
- Amon Egypt* - 19,500
- Amun Egypt* - 12,600
- Ammon Egypt* - 27,300
So they are all pretty popular, but the current listing is the preferred one. Noel 03:28, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Not by Egyptologists; "Ammon" is absolutely not standard at all. The preferred spelling in that field (in English) is "Amun" or "Amon" (or even "Amen"), but not "Ammon." --Nefertum17 18:34, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
The following user deleted (or even "Amen") from the previous statment (I've reinserted it). They made the following comment in the summary box, which I shall add here. Gareth Hughes 10:38, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- It's fine, but when you say 'amen', it sounds like the type of 'amen' you say in church. All in all, it's still a pretty good paragraph. 68.92.73.171
"Amen" in church is hebrew for something along the lines of "let it be so" kiss my ass "Amun" is not hebrew
[edit] Egyptian
Amun's wife is "Amaunet" or "Amunet" so using "Ammon" would make the wife being "Amunet" somewhat less consistent Well, Amun, and Re A.K.A Ra somehow clashed and became AMUN-RA (Amun-Re)
- No, you have failed to spot the problem at hand. In egyptian, it is "AMN" and "R" which became "AMN-R". Most of the vowels and transliterations are entirely the invention of the modern world entirely for the convenience of writing in modern languages. Ammon is what the greeks called him, and so this constitutes one historical witness to the correct pronunciation/spelling. However, it is the greek rendereding, and so is not entirely accurate (e.g. Khshayārsha is rendered in greek as Xerxes). For various reasons, academics prefer to spell it Amun, but this is not based on any ancient witness to this spelling/pronunciation. --Victim of signature fascism | help remove biblecruft 17:32, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sanchuniathon
See the article Sanchuniathon for indications of the Egyptian cult of Amun being established in Phoenicia. Lisa the Sociopath 02:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Reasons to link to Amen
The Hebrew stonemasons worshiped the Apis bull. The Hebrew people were the Ammonites. The Apis bull is the god Amen-Ra. The Hebrew people worshiped the golden bull which is also known as Amen-Ra (Amun-Ra)[1].
From the Catholic Encyclopedia [1]-
The Ammonites were a race very closely allied to the Hebrews. One use of their name itself in the Bible indicates the ancient Hebrew belief of this near relationship, for they are called Bén`ámmî or "Son of my people", meaning that that race is regarded as descended from Israel's nearest relative. This play of words on the name Ammon did not arise from the name itself, but presupposes the belief in the kinship of Israel and Ammon.The name Ammon itself cannot be accepted as proof of this belief, for it is obscure in origin, derived perhaps from the name of a tribal deity. A strong proof of their common origin is found in the Ammonite language. No Ammonite inscription, it is true, has come down to us, but the Ammonite names that have been preserved belong to a dialect very nearly akin to the Hebrew; moreover, the close blood relationship of Moab and Ammon being admitted by all, the language of the Moabite Stone, almost Hebrew in form, is a strong witness to the racial affinity of Israel and Ammon. This linguistic argument vindicates the belief that Israel always entertained of his kinship with the Ammonites. The belief itself has found expression in an unmistakable manner in Genesis 19, where the origin of Ammon and his brother, Moab, is ascribed to Lot, the nephew of Abraham. This revolting narrative has usually been considered to give literal fact, but of late years it has been interpreted, e.g. by Father Lagrange, O.P., as recording a gross popular irony by which the Israelites expressed their loathing of the corrupt morals of the Moabites and Ammonites. It may be doubted, however, that such an irony would be directed against Lot himself. Other scholars see in the very depravity of these peoples a proof of the reality of the Biblical story of their incest origin. Ethnologists, interpreting the origin from the nephew of Abraham by the canons usually found true in their science, hold it as indicating that the Israelites are considered the older and more powerful tribe, while the Ammonites and Moabites are regarded as offshoots of the parent stem. The character of Genesis, which at times seems to preserve popular traditions rather than exact ethnology, is taken as a confirmation of this position. But it is not denied, at any rate, that the Hebrew tradition of the near kinship of Israel, Ammon, and Moab is correct. All three, forming together a single group, are classified as belonging to the Aramæan branch of the Semitic race.
Amun was directly referred to in Jeremiah 46[2]
Jeremiah 46:25 [2]
The Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, says: Behold, I will visit punishment upon Amon [the chief god of the sacred city, the capital of Upper Egypt] of No or Thebes, and upon Pharaoh and Egypt, with her gods and her kings--even Pharaoh and all those [Jews and others] who put their trust in [Pharaoh as a support against Babylon].
This is a direct reference to the god Amun (Amen) in the bible [3].
Isaiah 65:15-17 [3]
15And you will leave your name to My chosen [to those who will use it] for a curse; and the Lord God will slay you, but He will call His servants by another name [as much greater than the former name as the name Israel was greater than the name Jacob]. 16So [it shall be] that he who invokes a blessing on himself in the land shall do so by saying, May the God of truth and fidelity [the Amen] bless me; and he who takes an oath in the land shall swear by the God of truth and faithfulness to His promises [the Amen], because the former troubles are forgotten and because they are hidden from My eyes. 17For behold, I create [a]new heavens and a new earth. And the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.
The following two verses are related to amen because they are referring to the god named mammon - also called Amen.
Here is the definition of 'mn (the West Semitic root of Amen and Mammon)[4]
West Semitic, to be firm, confirmed, reliable, faithful, have faith, believe. a. amen, from Hebrew mn, truly, certainly; b. Mammon, from Aramaic mmon, probably from Mishnaic Hebrew mmôn, probably from earlier *mamn (? “security, deposit”). Both a and b from Hebrew man, to be firm.
Matthew 6:24
24No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Luke 16:13
13No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
According to The Egyptian Dictionary [4] [5], Budge lists the bible verse Nahum 3:8 in his definition of Amen:
Nahum 3:8[6]
8Are you better than No-amon [Thebes, capital of Upper Egypt], that dwelt by the rivers or canals, that had the waters round about her, whose rampart was a sea [the Nile] and water her wall?
I believe that is enough evidence to constitute a link to the word Amen from Amun.
Luckynumbers (talk) 03:31, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
- I still don't think this argument is going anywhere. — Gareth Hughes (talk) 23:45, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
I have provided solid resources. It's that simple. The name of the god named Amen is different and used differently than the word amen. I have provided solid evidence. You have not provided evidence that proves otherwise. The hieroglyph for the word amen does not show the God in the depiction. Prove otherwise, otherwise it's relevant. Lucky (talk) 09:01, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Basic mistakes in the article
This article is full of mistakes. Aten's cult didn't decline in the 20th Dinasty, it had already disappeared by the end of the XVIIIth one, during the reign of Horemhab. There is no reference to its role during the XIX Dinasty, and so on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.201.69.30 (talk) 23:23, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Amun/Amon in the Christian Bible
Has Amun/Amon ever been mentioned, really, in any translation/version of the Christian Bible?
