Talk:Amos Oz

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[edit] Reference to Hebrew article

In the References section, please do not remove "עמוס עוז (Amos Oz) from the Hebrew-language Wikipedia. Retrieved February 1, 2005":

• It is where I translated about half of this English-language article's text from.
• It is therefore a source that we must cite according to Wikipedia policy.
• It avoids self-reference by using a complete URL (http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A2%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A1_%D7%A2%D7%95%D7%96) instead of an interwiki link (which would be he:עמוס עוז).
• It includes a date so that we can track changes.

--Hoziron 02:16, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

I believe I see your point, but I still object. Wikipedia cannot cite another Wikipedia, regardless, as Wikipedia per se is unverifiable. --Dhartung | Talk 03:41, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Verifiability is extremely important, but this isn't about verifiability. We have to mention the Hebrew-language article because we have translated and incorporated text from it. Please refer to GFDL and consider how valuable Wikipedia translation is for Wikipedia in general and Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias in particular. As for verifiability, feel free to pepper the article with "citation needed". Regarding your edit summary "not, um, kosher", I want to recommend the following Wikipedia guideline: "Avoid using edit summaries to carry on debates or negotiation over the content." --Hoziron 07:21, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

By the way, later I asked about this issue in policy discussion pages. I was told that Wikipedia practice is simply to put a comment in the edit history the mentions the article from which the translation was made. Personally I think that practice leaves something to be desired, but meanwhile I'll withdraw my insistence on mentioning the Hebrew-language article in the references. And for the record if there is one, when I created an "Acknowledgment" section, I had no intention of creating an "invariant section" under GFDL. --Hoziron (talk) 19:32, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Criticism"

At the end of the section Criticism of his politics: "This criticism is despite the PLO constitution calling for Israel's destruction for many years afterwards as well as the express pronouncement of members of the PLO leadership calling for Israel's destruction." As far as I can tell, this is just a statement of some Wikpedian's uncited disagreement with Chomsky's criticism of Oz. Does this really belong here? And if so why? -- Jmabel | Talk 04:16, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

"Criticism"

The section "criticism of his politics" should not be here. If it appears anywhere, it should relate to Noam Chomsky.

I deleted it. As well as being hard to follow and of doubtful relevance, it has serious errors. For example, Res 242 does not "call for the establishment of a Palestinian state next to Israel". --Zero 04:19, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Uncited minor change

[1] changed the age at which he joined a kibbutz. No clear citation either way, but I'm always suspicious of unexplained anonymous changes. Does someone have a citation on this? - Jmabel | Talk 05:58, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

He writes: "I was about fifteen or sixteen..." (A Tale of Love and Darkness, p.483), but I suspect it's the former. Certainly, over fourteen. El_C 17:48, 10 November 2007 (UTC)