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Contents 1 Article content 2 Genre 3 Fair use rationale for Image:Amorphis Logo.png 4 Doom metal confusion with Amorphis?

[edit] Article content

The history part is my handywork, none of it is copied from anywhere. I've been a personal friend with the musicians of the band since early/mid 80's and thus know for a fact it to be true. I don't know about the verifiability of the early stages, since it is not been discussed anywhere, that I know of anyway. So everything that needs to be clarified, please ask and I will try to do so. --Shrike 17:39, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Good work! I've rewritten some of the language in the history section - hopefully it will be a little clearer now. I think the history section needs expanding some more though, and if you know about it personally then that'll be a great help. Perhaps some more on the middle few albums, and what happened about the bad record deal? At the moment there is quite a jump in time.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by SeventyThree (talk • contribs) 02:33, 15 April 2006 (UTC).

This needs to be changed for the obvious reasons:

The search for a new frontman proved no easy task. In the end, Amorphis found the right person through word of mouth: Tomi Joutsen (Sinisthra), a powerful, multi-faceted singer with breathtaking on-stage charisma.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.130.139.223 (talk • contribs) 18:37, 12 August 2006 (UTC).

I changed the ending to make it sound more professional. Everyone working on music articles, please PLEASE remember that you are not writing an advertisement for the band (unless you are actually someone from the band or record label, in which case don't bother, it will be deleted anyway). Keep the writing neutral and leave soaring adjectives like "powerful", "uncompromising", and such out, or music articles will never get taken seriously here.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.116.27.11 (talk • contribs) 17:30, 26 September 2006 (UTC).

Wow I can't believe I never bothered to read this article before, it was full of POV problems. It had so much praise and weasel words, definately inappropiate for an encyclopedia. I went ahead and removed the major POV problems but the article still needs some work. Wikipedia is not the place to exalt your favorite bands people. Also I removed external links which don't comply with WP:EL. --Leon Sword 07:06, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Genre

Why nobody can't remind right that amorphis were never doom. They have just doom influences in their early works, but Elegy have definitely nothing to do with doom. I delete doom from this article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.114.144.82 (talk) 10:12, 18 March 2007 (UTC).

I absolutely agree.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nothingagainst (talk • contribs) 10:17, 4 April 2007 (UTC).

Yeah, and looking at both edit histories, it appears you 'two' agree on a remarkably similar (almost identical in fact) group of bands. Agreeing with yourself is not a consensus. The Kinslayer 10:10, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Amorphis Logo.png

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[edit] Doom metal confusion with Amorphis?

Haha..Who the hell is again described Amorphis as doom metal? Since the had influences ranging from the Doom metal in 3 first album, but it's not reason to called them as doom metal. BTW all albums after Tales from the Thousand Lakes are pure prog metal and nothing to do with Doom metal!!! I think this who are putting doom metal link to the Amorphis article are'nt even know what the hell its.

Provide a source. Relevant sources disagree with you. Your opinion is not enough. Garret Beaumain 12:22, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Doom metal.com do not listed Amorphis as doom metal.

Then there is one relevant source, that agree with myself. You definitely can't saying, that relevant sources disagree with me at all. And why the hell you are citing Metal Archives?? Actually, they are not relevant source!!! Definitely Amorphis never became Modern rock band and initially Amorphis was death metal NOT prog or death/doom!! They really became into went on prog metal. Listen to Disment of Souls, The Karelian Isthmus and Privilege of Evil, by yourself because those sounds nothing like progressive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

• Still there are so many sources that cite them as Doom Metal (and I personally agree, early albums were in Doom vein), and even 18 exclamation marks can't change it.

Genres must be: Death Metal, Doom Metal, Progressive Metal. That's what relevant and that's the perfect compromise.

PS. it was not I who added this strange "modern rock" (I've never heard of such a genre). Garret Beaumain 05:55, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Definately not Progressive, by the early records!! Later Amorphis became totaly prog metal band. And still keep in the mind only true defining source for doom metal-music is only Doom metal.coupid the adding the doom metal link to the genre box. And still only Doom Metal.com, can define what band is doom and what is fucking not!!! Im!!

OK i last listened their early three albums and they are pretty death/doomy, but simply doom metal (early)???? Simply doom would be bands including Candlemass, Cathedral, Black Sabbath, St. Vitus, Reverend Bizarre, Solitude Aeternus, wich early Amorphis definitely, does'nt sound like. Death/Doom, no Simply Doom!

I've nothing bad (or rather hurting) to saying for you, but youre just halfdeaf IMO. Amorphis were never doom at all, only they had an doom influenced riffs early on. Listen to it, because it's not that SLOWER, than the typical doom metal scene's band's music is. Also this article says, straigh death, then its very stupid the adding the doom metal link to the genrebox. And still only Doom Metal.com can define, what band is doom and what is fucking not!!! I removed doom metal link.