Talk:Amir Peretz

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Ramon could not reconcile with Rabin in December '95 because Rabin was murdered in November '95. The reason Ramon returned to the government was the actual murder of Rabin, as per Ramon's official statement made prior to his return to the government.

Quite right and I have corrected it. You could also have done it yourself. All responsible edits are welcome. RCSB 12:26, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Fraud allegations

I have removed reference to the fraud allegations raised by the losing candidate Shimon Peres. The issue has failed to resurface in the Israeli press; all Labour ministers have stood behind Amir Peretz's victory, despite having opposed him during the campaign. Eytan Kebel, the party's secretary-general, had dismissed the issue early on, noting that the results of all ballots had been signed and approved by repesentatives of all the candidates. RCSB 21:53, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Shimon Peres has officially congratulated Amir Peretz on his election victory -- so that issue is closed. RCSB 13:11, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bojar ??? Where is it ?

I am moroccan and I don't know where is this city of Bojar ??? I think this name is mispelled and should be corrected..

Bojad not 'Bojar'. I translated it from the Hebrew Wikipedia where it is written in Hebrew as בוז'אד. The j should be pronounced with a 'zh' sound, as in the French word jardin. The Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz spelled it as in the Hebrew Wikipedia. But it is not impossible that they are all mistaken. I would much appreciate any help with research on this. Is there any town you are aware of which sounds similar? Do you have maps you could consult? Merci Beaucoup. RCSB 14:34, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
The following link: Exploration potential of Paleozoic rocks of Morocco has the following quote: "Wells from the Bojad region of the Tadla basin encountered porosities up to 30% in Devonian clastic sequences." What do you make of it? RCSB 15:02, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

I've got it!!! Boujad is a small moroccan city near Beni-Mellal and Kasbat Tadla (meaning.. Tadla Castle)!! It's situated near the Middle-Atlas..

In colloqual moroccan arabic it's called Bee-Jaad.. In classical arabic Abu-Jaad (literally Fadther of Jaad).. Some spell it Bejad or Boujaad! A map of it is available here : [1]

Amir Peretz is indeed a "very proletarian paysant" even by moroccan standards.. Wish this make peace advance..

Thank you very much, I believe you have solved it! I read your note with a smile, because I had a feeling that this was what you would find: that he is of 'proletarian' origin. In an immigrant society like Israel, these differnces supposedly lost in importance: you were either Ashkenazi or else Moroccan, Iraqi, Tunisian etc. But I know that amongst some Israeli Moroccans, former foreign minister David Levy, for example, was frowned upon because of his 'lowly' origins. So the memory remains...
Inshallah peace will come. We are all sons of Abraham. RCSB 21:46, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mitleh Pass

According to the Heberew Peretz website, Peretz was wounded in the Mitleh Pass and not in the crossing of the Suez Canal, as was claimed by editor 80.179.115.98. Please refrain from irresponsible edits, especially if you are not logged in. RCSB 18:43, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Materiel officer?

according to Matériel, a Matériel officer is in charge of supplies. but accourding to Peretz' statements in israel, he was what i would translate literally as "ammunition officer" (i don't know how this is called in anglo-saxon armies). while ammunition supply is part of the duties of the ammunition corp in the IDF, the main role of the ammunition officer in a fighting brigade is the officer in charge of the technical status of all combat and non combat vehicles, and the proffessional ability of the unit's drivers. in this organizational level, weapons and ammo, as well as all other supplies (from food to tents) is the responsibility of the supply officer (Matériel officer?) he:User:צחי

[edit] Uniformity of Usage

  • "If an article is predominantly written in one type of English, aim to conform to that type rather than provoking conflict by changing to another."
  • "If all else fails, consider following the spelling style preferred by the first major contributor (that is, not a stub) to the article."

Excerpts from the Wikipedia:Manual of Style

The usage in this article, which at first strived to conform to that of English English, is continually degenerating to American English. Examples include labour which was replaced in many places with labor and doveish which was changed to dovish (How do you pronounce that?!). I think the excerpts above speak for themselves. RCSB 12:09, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

In line with the Wikipedia:Manual of Style I have reverted the changes made to the spellings.
Here is an amusing section of the Style Guide from The Economist , which highlights the distasteful nature of most Americanisms. RCSB 19:50, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
We're a pretty slimy bunch, that's true. --(Mingus ah um 02:47, 16 April 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Edits by user 192.44.76.8

Hi. Please stop changing Amir Peretz's birthplace. He was born in Boujad and not in Oujda. This is corroborated by his campaign website (see the links in the article page). Please refer to the discussion above about Boujad. In case you are not aware, Boujad is a city in the middle Atlas. The discussion above has a link to a website showing a map of the area. We are not confounding Boujad with Oujda. Oujda is located near the Algerian border. Peretz was not born there. Again, refer to the discussion above if you are confused about this. Thank you. RCSB 20:08, 24 November 2005 (UTC)


Is it *Oujda* or *Bajaad* ?

Moroccan newspapers are talking about Oujda! Oujda was a stronghold for jews in the past. I am the one who corrected the Boujad name above! A serious investigation needs to be conducted I think!

I think you should write a letter to the newspapers you mention. It is definitely Boujad! This is corroborated by Peretz's own campaign site (see here). This is also what appears in the Hebrew Wikipedia and this is what appeared in Israeli newspapers. Oujda will have to await the honour for another day... RCSB 14:59, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Peretz means broke through"

This link - Peretz means broke through - has nothing to do with Amir Peretz.--Amir E. Aharoni 15:33, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Endorsements in race against Peres

I read somewhere that only 2 MKs endorsed Peretz in the race for Labor Party chairman. I know one of them was Yuli Tamir. Does anyone know who the other one was? The Secretary of Funk 21:21, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Amir Peretz' name in Arabic

Why is Amir Peretz' name is written in Arabic? I don't think it's necassery.

[edit] Stance on the present crisis

Is anything known about his stance on the present crisis with Libanon? Maybe from Israeli news? In Europe & North America nothing can be perceived, and his official web site seems to be down. As secretary of defence he must have made some statements, right? Mwimmer 22:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] mustache

I like this guy's mustache. I hope he goes far in Israeli politics because he just looks like a nice fellow.--Paraphelion 03:25, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

And, after all, isn't that what politics is all about? 6SJ7 03:43, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Sometimes.--Paraphelion 03:45, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

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It's kind of the Kaiser Wilhelm II mustache upside-down.AchtungAchtung 14:56, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV

Thsi article attempts to portray Amir Peretz as some form of Dove, which, as evidence has shown, is wildly inaccurate. As such, it needs to be NPOVed --Irishpunktom\talk 10:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Please state specific issues you have with the article; which statements are not neutral enough, and why? One cannot tag articles for non-specific reasons. Jayjg (talk) 14:52, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
The article really just needed a bit of updating, that's all. Most of the article was clearly written during the campaign and had not been updated. I took care of it and removed the tag. It does still need some work on what he is thinking, saying and doing today, in the midst of the current military confict. I am going to put a citation-needed tag on the sentence about how he and Olmert are now seen as "more hawkish than previously thought" (which I notice nobody complained about). 6SJ7 15:01, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Changed my mind, the sentence in question needs more than just a fact tag, it needs researching and re-writing, so I commented it out. It probably belongs in the "views" section anyway, where it might have provided the balance Irishpunktom was looking for. 6SJ7 15:13, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, Irishpunktom, now I know what you mean by NPOV. I thought it meant "balanced," not calling someone a "child murderer." 6SJ7 16:44, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

  • I didn't call him that, and I'd much rather have a better critique of his post war status, but, I couldn't find an online one. There was a good one on UKs Channel 4, but, that was a few days ago, and I don't think they archive their news reports online. So, for now, the hubris of the MKs should stay. --Irishpunktom\talk 20:20, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Binocular Blunder

How about this one: Israeli minister in vision gaffe Israeli newspapers have printed photos of Defence Minister Amir Peretz trying to watch military manoeuvres through binoculars with the lens caps still on. [2] --Vladko 10:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)