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Amine group redirects here. It is a term used in high school. As such, I gave it a "high" rating. The article could use some more biological context, e.g. amine groups in amino acids. - tameeria 03:56, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Table of Kb values

Somebody, please set the table of Kb values right. I added some content, and then, extra values to support it (and messed up the format).

Skeptical Chymist 15:33, 1 May 2008 (IST)

[edit] Quaternary Amines

Should really add quaternary amines here.

Josh Cherry 22:40, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
a "quaternary amine" being ...?--Smokefoot 22:49, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sentence problem

This sentence is giving me trouble, mostly b/c I'm not an organic chemist, but if it's confusing to me it's likely to be confusing to others. Anyway I hope someone could clarify and then update it in the article:

"However, if any of the carbons bonded to the nitrogen that is part of a carbonyl group, then the compound is considered an amide rather than an amine."

Does this mean -- if any of the carbons in the 'R' group are, in turn, part of a carbonyl group, then the whole deal is an 'amide' instead of an 'amine'

basically 'that is' is ambiguously referring to one of 'the nitrogen' or 'the carbons'

Thx.

Harold MacKiernan 5 Jan 2006 23:11 PST

I'm pretty sure that any carbonyl group adjacent to an N, NH or NH2 makes it an amide. Perhaps:

"However, if any of the carbons bonded to the nitrogen are also part of a carbonyl group, then the compound is considered an amide rather than an amine." Anand 21:57, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Drawing

Nice drawing for the nitrile and amide reductions by LAH, but you might revise the nitriles so that R-C-N are linear in the starting material.--Smokefoot 04:52, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

also the amide forming reaction from acid chloride and an alkyl amine is incorrect as one CH2 was lost.--Smokefoot 00:58, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Properties as bases

the article says that:
The nitrogen atom features a lone electron pair that can bind H+ to form an ammonium ion R3NH+. The wiki page about ammonium ion says that its formula is NH4+.
Could somebody correct this ?
What is the name of R3NH+ ? --Colonna 13:36, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

"Ammonium" can refer either to NH4+ itself or more generally to compounds with four groups attached to a positively charged nitrogen - R4N+. NH4+ is just the case where the four R groups are hydrogens and R3NH+ is the case where only one is. --Ed (Edgar181) 14:03, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What's the correct pronunciation for "amine"?

206.240.25.247 (talk) 03:04, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

There are two different pronunciations in common use; see [1], which even has audio versions. --Itub (talk) 11:49, 18 February 2008 (UTC)