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[edit] Banner

The above banner reads: "This is not a forum for general discussion about the article's subject." That said, I'm deleting any discussion that does not pertain to the article. --Pisceandreams (talk) 04:45, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/shows/music_week/tracklisting.shtml

Please stop adding this link as a source or citation of fact on this album, as this link has NO information on the topic. Midnightguinea 22:54, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


It appears someone has added a list of track names from the album to the article. However, I don't see any documentation for the list. If anyone could scrounge up a link or proof that these are, in fact, track names, it would be appreciated. Freakazette 18:26, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I second that. Laikalynx 20:22, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unconfirmed Track Listings:

Please stop posting track listings until it can be sourced from an official site. Such sites would include www.toriamos.com, www.everythingtori.com, or other official Sony/Epic web sites. The track list that has been posted up here several times has been confirmed at this point by one person who claims to have spoken to a representative of Sony in the Netherlands. While this may very well be true it is hardly an official track list and should not be regarded as anything but rumor until confirmed by official sources. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hazrek (talk • contribs) 21:35, 9 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] track listing format

If you look at other albums and the format that the track listing has, please adopt this style and use it for the track listing when the official one is released. --Jennica 16:18, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tingen Interview

The following was posted on Hazrek's talk page regarding the Paul Tingen article:

Hi Hazrek... You or anyone else is welcome to use a few lines from the article about American Doll Posse on my site... What I object to is people lifting the entire article... This distinction is, of course, common copyright practice. Btw, I'm not sure what you mean when you use words like 'shill' and "semi-advert". I wanted to alert Tori fans to the article... If it's judged that Wikipedia is not the right forum for that, or that the article was featured too prominently, fair enough, but no need to delete all references to the article... Paul Tingen.

I've re-added the Tori quote from his article and cited Tingen's site properly. I don't see any reason to reference his website in the body of this article - this is a page for information on ADP, and anyone interested in the quote can follow the reference to get to his site. Hazrek 21:10, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


How do I know you didn't type that yourself in your talk page? Can you cite that? User:butterfly0fdoom Sunday, 2007-03-25 T 23:02 UTC

[edit] Track Listing is Ugly

I understand why it was done this way, but seriously, having 15 identical reference links is just silly. We can at least cut it down to one reference for each name, insted of tagging every single one. If no one objects, I'll take care of it in a couple days (to give time for people to weigh in, or object if they feel it's important to keep them.) NipokNek 21:50, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

No, you're right go ahead. I only put all those reference links because it seems like every piece of new infomation gets immediately deleted if it doesn't have a source. 00:20, 11 April 2007 (UTC)~~


[edit] Miracle

Hi- 'Miracle' i've just noticed is now available as a separate download on itunes (well in the UK anyway) so maybe that needs updating?

[edit] Extra Tracks

I'm dying to know which characters "Miracle" and "Drive All Night" belong to. Anybody got references for that? AvatarMN 08:42, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Wow, just listen to the songs and enjoy them, you nut. They belong to Tori Amos.Womanhood 17:14, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Tori went to the trouble of creating the characters and writing songs for them, there is a certain importance. To get into too much information, I find listening to the album as it's tracked to be overly long and disjointed, I enjoy it much more to build five playlists and listen to those as the mood strikes, and "Miracle" and "Drive All Night" are orphaned from them because the characters haven't been identified. -- AvatarMN 02:26, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Americandollposse.jpg

Image:Americandollposse.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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I've added a bit of rationale to the image page. — Sam 19:05, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Posse names next to song title

Is it really necessary since in the credits it states which persona did what? --Jennica 22:44, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reception

I deleted this section that was just added: "The album was well-received by both fans and critics. Amos's return to a more rock-influenced sound and more agressive lyrics were appreciated greatly after The Beekeeper, which many considered dull or lackluster. However, most critics agreed that the album was too long and some felt that the concept of "dolls" was superfluous to the album" since nothing was sourced and also because it doesn't seem necessary to have an entire section for just a few sentences when this information can be incorporated elsewhere in the article. --Pisceandreams 16:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sales

Where is the article getting its information regarding this album's sales? Samuel Grant 14:48, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I removed the submission from Hekerui about "current" sales figures for the album because USA Today is not a pertinent source for music sales. That same article cited Scarlet's Walk selling 600-some-thousand copies when Billboard, an authority on music sales, has reported sales at, or now exceeding, 750,000. --Pisceandreams (talk) 16:06, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Asterisks in track list?

In the track list some songs are indicated by an asterisk, though I cannot find any reference as to what they are supposed to mean. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.10.20.7 (talk) 11:37, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I've reformatted the track listing and removed the asterisks. --Pisceandreams (talk) 20:31, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Almost Rosey a single?

I know an edited version was made available to download, but isnt it pushing it to say that makes Almost Rosey count as a Single release? Even if we're including promo-only singles, I dont think any professional promo CDs were issued by the label, were they?

[edit] B-sides

This statement about the B-sides wasn't entirely accurate: "The album, as with most of Amos' albums, is also known for its collection of original B-sides. They can be found on limited edition versions of the album." I changed it to: "The album, as with most of Amos' albums, is also known for its collection of original B-sides. One can be found on limited edition versions of the album, while the other two are available exclusively through different retailers as digital downloads. The final three tracks on the album, "Posse Bonus," "Smokey Joe," and "Dragon," are bonus tracks that would have been B-sides if it were not for the music industry's changing nature of moving away from CD singles."

Do people agree that the 3 bonus tracks on the album are B-sides in essence? --Pisceandreams 22:21, 13 August 2007 (UTC)