Talk:American Colonization Society
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[edit] Neither Here Nor There
In the external links, why is there the excess backstory about the Institute for Historical Review? Without disputing the facts of what is being said about them, what exactly does their position on the Holocaust have to do with the price of eggs in this case? It's totally irrelevant to the topic at hand, not to mention the content linked to, and probably has no place in this entry.
Besides which, if we're going to make it standard wikipedia practice to mention every time someone links to an article on the internet by an author or group called anti-semitic by somebody or other, we're going to need to do a major revision of 90% of the external links.
January 16th, 2005, 11:53 A.M. GMT.
Corrections made to the article include the name of the man who founded the organization, Robert Finley, (not Robert Finlay).
References to "black Americans" were changed to the accurate term, which is "free Negroes," who were not Americans since they could not vote.
The National Colonization Society of America was founded in 1816. Some free Negroes had departed the United States voluntarily prior to 1816, which indicates that the United States was a hotbed of racial hatred in the quarter-century from 1790-1815. It is possible that an earlier Colonization Society called the American Colonization Society existed prior to 1816. Sierre Leone was created in Africa some two to four decades before Liberia was created.
The references to "blacks" should be removed. Free Negroes were called "colored" in the census reports of 1790, 1800, 1810, 1820, etc.
It is likely that the article still contains some statements which are either far-fetched or untrue.
- What is the new word for what one used to called "American women" who were not Americans since they could not vote? We count on everyone to actively improve any statements which are either far-fetched or untrue. --Wetman 19:16, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
How many encyclopedia articles about Shakespeare use only the language of his time?--JimWae 18:49, 2005 Jan 16 (UTC)
I have access to a big, fat encyclopedia that states that James Madison (but not James Monroe) was one of the Presidents of the National Colonization Society. President Washington's nephew, Bushrod Washington was a President at one time (and the owner of Mount Vernon, George Washington's mansion).
The copyright laws of the United states have been extended from the original 14 years to 95 years, today. It is illegal for Americans to utilize copyrighted items in great detail. The "Fair Use" provision of the law offers a little bit of protection.
The big, fat encyclopedia will be made available in the next ten years by Google which is making copies of numerous books. I have already employed the big, fat encyclopedia as the source of the name and the information about Robert Finley, sketchily. I hope that I haven't exceeded the "Fair Use" rule.
By the way, white women were Americans because the head of the family voted for himself, his wife, and his children.
There is a big difference between being deported (by force) and being transported (voluntarily) away.
January 17th, 2005 10:13 P.M. GMT
[edit] It is too complex
The subject of establishing free Negroes in some other place is too complex for a Wikipedia article. Books were written about the subject in the 19th century. Some men devoted much of their lives to the effort.
EXAMPLE; The nation's most radical Abolitionist, William Lloyd Garrison (1805-79), was an advocate of immediate emancipation on the soil (freed slaves would remain here). Garrison's friend, Benjamin Lundy (1789-1839), favored the colonization of freed slaves to places such as Haiti and Mexico. In 1838, a mob burned Pennsylvania Hall in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, destroying nearly all of his possessions. The action of that mob proved that many despisers of colonization existed in 1838, when the President of the United States was a Pro-slavery Democrat named Martin Van Buren, of the State of New York.
A big, fat encyclopedia could be written on the subject.
It all boils down to the following sentences. In the Roman Empire, Romans allowed the existence of an Imperium in imperio which is "a power within a power" or ""an empire within an empire" or "a state within a state," but the American empire builders scorned that notion. U.S. President Abraham Lincoln claimed that the United States was a "tree that should not have a crows' nest in it."
2:22 A.M. GMT January 27th, 2005
[edit] Original research moved to talk - source needed
Taken in the context of the previous quotes, Lincoln, ever the master diplomat, may have been seeking to placate the emancipated slave population with this overture while he waited for General Butler to report back to him on the feasibility of colonization. Regardless of the intent of Lincoln's proclamtion, like the issue of slavery, he knew that his suggestions could either be accepted or rejected by the States and as such he respected their sovereignty by leaving the issue of suffrage ultimately up to them, as was the case in his instructions for the reconstruction of the State of Louisiana.
[edit] Ugh
The usages of multiple new terms such as "free blacks" and "African Americans" ruined the article. The people were called Free Negroes. Also, slaveowners remarked that Negroes were "docile" and that white men were "hostile" and not suited to slavery. "Indigent whites" is a novel expression. White men could purchase 80 acres of land in Ohio for one hundred dollars. Land in Ohio sold for a dollar and a quarter per acre, thus 400 acres (161.9 hectares) of land in Ohio costed 500 dollars. I had never heard of "indigent whites" in the United States until after Wikipedia was invented. Distortions of historical truths are placed in Wikipedia every day. "Indigent whites" appears to be a creation by a mythifier.HeyYallYo 02:12, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Are you saying there weren't any poor white people in the United States at that time? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.61.76.170 (talk) 19:52, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] 12 years old Wikipedians
Keep it in mind that a term such as "indigent whites" may be the creation of a 12-years-old individual. Wikipedia does not prevent 12 years old Wikipedians from contributing their thoughts.HeyYallYo 11:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Last section reads like a high school persuasive writing assignment
This "assessment" only has one source citation to support incredibly sweeping claims about the effectiveness of the American Colonization Society which MUST be supported by facts. Also, the last paragraph should be deleted because it's far too editorialized for an enclyclopedia article, i.e. "America, not Africa, was their home and they had little desire to migrate to a strange and forbidding land to achieve someone else's dream." Save that for a 9th grade persuasive writing assignment, not for a fair encyclopedia article for the world to see.
