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Angela. 20:19, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Hi!

Welcome to wikipedia. Are you ex-IITM? -- Arvindn 07:45, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Good to see you remember me. Wasn't I your hostel senior too? I see your trail on the WWW everywhere - /., k5, the works! Keep up the good work (read "karma whoring") :-) So, aren't you in your 4th year now? -- Ambarish 09:09, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Fifth, actually: I'm in dual degree. I'm just getting done with the long and painful apping process, so I expect to be doing even more karma whoring in the future ;^) -- Arvindn 15:22, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)
All the best, then, with your apping. -- Ambarish 22:15, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I liked your addition to the Buddhism page. I think it's mainly Hari Krishna's that believe the Buddha as the incarnation of Vishnu thing - I remember talking to one of their guys in the street one day. He was interesting, but ultimately inflexible in his views. Mahaabaala 17:07, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Actually, it's not just Hare Krishna's. The period before Adi Sankara was a period of the rise of Buddhism and Jainism in India at the expense of Hinduism. Sankara and later Ramanuja and Madhva brought about a renaissance in Hinduism. In Sankara's time, in particular, Buddhism had taken root in India very strongly, and he had to vigorously oppose Buddhism while at the same time expounding a philosophy similar to Buddhism in order to check the spread of Buddhism. (He seems to have succeeded in part, as Buddhism is almost non-existent in India today). In any case, part of the strategy of the Hindus was to claim that Gautama Buddha was the 9th avatar of Vishnu and Krishna the 8th. This is mostly believed in North India - Buddhism was stronger there. In the South, most folks believe that Balarama was the 8th avatar and Krishna the 9th. -- Ambarish 22:15, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)

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[edit] Saint title

This about your correction of title to Saint Tyagaraja. You may well know that Saint is not a title confined to conferement by Pope. Nattu 00:10, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Personalities

I was referring to her comment that it was ad hominem to say that thoughts that 'idol' isn't a derogatory and inaccurate term in the wider English-speaker are fanciful and wishful unreality. As for Romila Thapar, that was brought up by Kukkurovaca and I never called you her follower. You're not out of line in discussing, but your warnings are irrelevant to the conversation in question. I was very much addressing the idol issue and you'll note that no personal attacks or comments were made.--LordSuryaofShropshire 22:51, May 8, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Rice

I wasn't aware of the Persian/sanskrit connection. But, I do remember reading the Tamil connection somewhere. Not sure..Should double-check. Chancemill 08:51, May 21, 2004 (UTC)

Hi Ambarish, I live in Urbana too. I am the one who created Illayaraja, only two days ago. Wiki proves the six degrees of seperation. If you are the ambarish that I know of (in CS department), I won't be too surprised. --ganesh 00:20, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Hey Ganesh, great to see you here! Yes, indeed it's a small world. I see you created an account recently - do ask me if you get stuck anywhere. Better still, ask at the Wikipedia:Help Desk. Other interesting pages include Wikipedia:Community Portal and Wikipedia:Style and How-to Directory. BTW, Ilayaraaja was already there before you created Illayaraja, so I just merged in stuff you'd added into the older page (with the correct spelling acc. to his official page) Ambarish 04:46, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Thanks. I will ask you if I need any help. --ganesh 04:58, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)

HI, I somehow missed your other message on Tamil fonts. I haven't fixed the issue. I will try to install the unicode font and if not, I will seek your help. Thanks.--ganesh 22:43, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Thirty fifth or thirty second?

Hi Ambarish, you added Chennai to Thirty most populous cities in the world and stated it is ranked 32. However, the Chennai link lists it as 35th. Is yours an updated figure? Cheers. Moriori 01:08, Jun 15, 2004 (UTC)

Hi Moriori, Chennai is the 32nd biggest city in the world (http://www.world-gazetteer.com/home.htm - same reference as in Thirty most populous cities in the world), and the 35th largest urban agglomeration. List of metropolitan areas by population lists populations of agglomerations.
My point is about consistency in Wikipedia. Our Chennai site says it is a city, and says it is the 35th biggest city in the world. If the Chennai site is to remain at 35, then so must our entry for Chennai on the Thirty most populous cities in the world page (where you listed it at 32). Otherwise, they should both be 32. Note the word CITY here. Moriori 04:11, Jun 15, 2004 (UTC)
Point taken. I've changed Chennai to reflect this; IMO, ranking urban agglomerations makes much more sense is of more lay interest than ranking cities; cities have artificial boundaries delineated mostly out of administrative convenience. Ambarish | Talk 20:16, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
On the same note, don't you think Thirty most populous cities in the world should be List of cities by population? Why thirty, for instance? Ambarish | Talk 03:01, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I hate the never ending use of the word lists. Lists everywhere! Why not just Cities by population?Moriori 04:11, Jun 15, 2004 (UTC)
  1. Not all lists in Wikipedia are ordered; for instance, you have List of stock exchanges. While Cities by population would make it clear it's a list, Stock exchanges would not. Hence "List of ..."
  • Surely Stock exchanges indicates it is about, er, stock exchanges, especially when linked to from Stock Exchange? It doesn't need List of IMMHO, and neither do most lists in wiki. But, never mind, hopefully the categories will remove many of these abominations. Cheers Moriori 20:48, Jun 15, 2004 (UTC)
  1. The idea, as I understand, is that many of the lists are going to be removed in favour of the new category scheme. Of course, you can't remove ordered lists, but unordered lists, IMO, can go. If Wikipedia has only ordered lists remaining, then perhaps we could (per your suggestion) remove "List of ..."
  2. My crib above was about "thirty". Looks like everyone is adding "their favourite city that happens to be below 30th rank" to the list. Eventually, it'll probably have the top 50 and then the top 100. I wouldn't want to keep moving the article. Ambarish | Talk 20:16, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Indus/Devanagari

Huh. Are there actual scholars who hold that Indic scripts derive from the Indus Valley script? -- कुक्कुरोवाच|Talk‽ 01:42, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

All right, perhaps it's too much to term them "scholars". I'm trying to find a middle ground between what was there originally and the current revision. A fringe theory, by definition, is not widely held, and IMO, the original version was kind of over-stating the point and thus not NPOV. I've edited it again; tell me if you think it's all right. If not we could discuss it further here. Ambarish | Talk 08:52, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)
No, that looks fine; and you're right about the redundancy. -- कुक्कुरोवाच|Talk‽ 09:21, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Hijra (India)

To: User:Chancemill, User:Sundar, User:Harikishoreaj, User:Nichalp, User:KRS, User:Ambarish, User:Arvindn

The Hijra article needs some help/comments. If you know more on the subject, please feel free to comment at Talk:Hijra (India). Thanks. --Rrjanbiah 04:27, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I don't think I know much, but I'll see what I can contribute. Ambarish | Talk 18:27, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. --Rrjanbiah 04:42, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] carnatic music

I didn't notice the comments you added in the discussion page before editing - my apologies for the inconvenience.

Please see my response on the discussion page. Thanks.

[edit] New phonetic symbol?

Just curious, what is the system of phonetics you used for thamizhan in Tamil people? --Rrjanbiah 08:28, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

If you mean the transliteration format, I used the standard one used in most literature, which AFAIK originated from the University of Madras, but is now used pretty much throughout the world. There's a complementary transliteration schema for Devanagari and other Indic scripts with the nice property that similar sounds have the same Latin representation. IIRC, it's also recommended by the International Phonetic Association. For sample usage, see http://www.penkatali.org/tamil.html Ambarish | Talk 18:28, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Such transliteration is new to me. I think, it is even wrong to call it as transliteration. Also, if we go for IPA phonetics, I think we can't differentiate ள and ழ.--Rrjanbiah 07:18, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Why is it wrong to call it transliteration? Seems to me that is what it is. As for distinguishing ள and ழ, ள is transliterated as ḷ and ழ as ḻ. Ambarish | Talk 12:44, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. --Rrjanbiah 14:00, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Note: Add new stuff above this. Please respond at your own talk-page to any comments I make there; I shall be watching your talk page. Likewise, I shall respond at my own talk-page to any comments posted there; I might leave a note in your talk-page though to alert you.

[edit] Jimbo Visit

I will be at the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign 23 October, 2004, speaking at the ACM Reflections | Projections Conference 2004 -

This conference runs from 22. - 24. October 2004; it would be fantastic to have a Wikipedia booth, if I can get volunteers for it.

Do you think you could come? Jimbo Wales 16:22, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Kari?

Thank you Ambarish. I gave an example that was not homophonic, perhaps not a good choice but I could have equally used one that was. Since we are talking about coal perhaps "coke" and "Coke"(TM) would be one. Stating my ignorance first, the reason I harked back to the earlier version making the conjecture in the discussion that the two words were unrelated, was to leave it open to question to anyone who did know. A connection between kari for curry and kari for coal, however obscure, would be interesting and relevant. If there is no connection it would not be. I would be most grateful for you comments Dainamo 18:43, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

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[edit] Indian wikipedians' notice board

Thanks for your work on Hindi vowels. You might wish to join Wikipedia:Indian wikipedians' notice board. utcursch 11:02, Dec 13, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Seeking you support

I am seeking your support and participation for starting the "Indian Collboration of the Week". Please enlist your support on the page Wikipedia_talk:Indian_wikipedians'_notice_board if you would like to support. Thanks Arunram 08:20, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thans for suggestion

Hi Ambarish thans for removing my addition at the page Hindu. I have added it under Hinduism. Bye

[edit] massive floods in Mumbai

Why not page on massive floods in Mumbai? pradeepsomani

[edit] massive floods in Mumbai

Why not page for massive floods in Mumbai? pradeepsomani

[edit] A.R. Rahman, Cinema of India

The reason that I amplified your comment "he continues to work out of there" is that I just thought the wording clumsy. You're right, A.R. Rahman doesn't work exclusively for Bollywood, and so my edit was misleading. However, I am going to try to rewrite in some other fashion to avoid the clunkiness of the other phrase. Just giving you warning! It has nothing to do with you, or with A.R. Rahman (whom I adore) -- it's just style. Zora 08:09, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hindu-Arabic numerals

Hi! User:RN moved the article to Arabic numerals despite 28 votes favoring the title "Hindu-Arabic numerals" and only 17 favoring "Arabic numerals." He argues that if we don't count voters with less that 150 (or sth like that) edits, only 56% voters "support changing the title to Hindu-Arabic numerals", while at least 60% support votes are required. However, it was agreed between all parties in the beginning of the vote that the proposal is to move the article to "Arabic numerals" from "Hindu-Arabic numerals." It was also agreed (though I thought it was very unfair) that:

  • Those opposing the move have the advantage that it won't be moved unless there's a 60% majority
  • Those supporting the move have the advantage that the person proposing the move can do the *short* opening statement.
  • For all the rest of the voting procedure both parties are equal. (quoting Francis Schonken from 21:04, 18 December 2005 (UTC))

I would definitely have preferred it the other way round, since I think an opening statement makes a HUGE difference, since many people just read the opening statement and understandably don't bother with the discussion below the votes. The present situation was accepted with the agreement that the article will be moved to "Arabic numerals" only if more than 60% voters favored that title. Thus, only 40% oppose votes were sufficient to retain the title "Hindu-Arabic numerals." In the present situation (with over 60% voters opposing the change), I find the move to "Arabic numerals" ridiculous, besides being completely unjust and unfair. Your comments will be appreciated. deeptrivia (talk) 05:12, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Birth

Hi ,

i just discovered the Jātī article. Are the "diacritic" (i hope my english is right) correct ? I thought it was only jāti : sanskrit and pâli. But maybe the term is from another language ?

Well, it does not matter SO MUCH, it is just in order to put a correct "interwiki" link to the french wiki. in advance, thanks. pyl 00:16, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greetings

Greetings on India’s 57th Republic Day. --Bhadani 08:08, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ook! programming language

Hi, you voted to keep this article on the grounds that it was nominated less than a month ago. You might not have noticed that this AfD ended in a "no result" with several people requesting it to be relisted (that AfD combined several articles and people wnated to vote on each of them seperatly.) Might I request that you reconsider your vote? Cheers, —Ruud 12:03, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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  13. Use पूर्णविराम ( । ) instead of a period (.) for ending statements. The पूर्णविराम, semicolon, colon and dash (but not comma) must come after one space after the word to prevent ambiguity. Use the international form of the Hindu-Arabic numerals (1,2,3 instead of १,२,३), as used by the Constitution and the Government of India (even for Hindi). There is no need to use the हलन्त at the end of Sanskrit words wherever it occurs. Hence, prefer: संसद over संसद्; अथर्वन over अथर्वन्. Use the proper quotation marks “” from the Insert toolbox, not "". Write dates as 2 मई 2006 (ईसवी or ईसापूर्व). Write time as 3:45 pm. Separate common suffix-words like शास्त्र, विज्ञान, ज्ञान with a hyphen. Thus: रसायन-शास्त्र. For most others, leave both the words of the noun-cluster free. Combine them into one word only if it is very common to do so. Thus: सामवेद.
  14. The use of ज़ for the en:voiced alveolar fricative (/z/, as in zoo, rose) is fundamentally wrong. Its nearest counterpart is the en:voiceless alveolar fricative /s/ (as in sea), and not Hindi ज (en:voiced palatal plosive). Hence, it is suggested and recommended that for the sound /z/, whether it comes in English (etc.) spellings (z) for while pronunciation otherwise, should be transcribed as स़ (स with a dot below, available in the Insert toolbox). Hence: Reason रीस़न, not रीज़न ; Roses रोस़ेस़, not रोज़ेज़. But common Hindi words borrowed from Persian/Arabic (so-called Urdu words) are allowed to continue with ज़ spelling. Thus: ज़रा, नज़र, तर्ज़. The en:voiced postalveolar fricative (/ʒ/ as in treasure), inexistent in Hindi, can similarly be transcribed with श़. Thus: treasure ट्रॅश़र. The nukta (dot) available in the Insert toolbox can be combined with various consonants to suggest a more exact phonetic devanagari rendering of foreign sounds. E.g., since phonetically, English Think and this are not equal to थिंक and दिस, a better transcription could be थ़िंक and द़िस. Please take care of the dot below in so-called Urdu words, otherwise the Hindi spelling is deemed incorrect.
  15. For the following English vowels met, mate, mat, transcribe as मॅट (short vowel), मेट (not मेइट), मैट (not मॅट, as popular in Marathi). However in contemporary Hindi and here, it is acceptable to use ए instead of ऍ. Thus: अमेरिका is more popular than अमॅरिका. For cot, coat, caught, transcribe as कॉट, कोट, कॉट (not कौट). Transcribe English /t/ and /d/ as ट and ड.
  16. Use half-न before त, थ, द, ध, न, instead of anuswaar अं. Use half-म before प, फ, ब, भ, म. Use the anuswaar before all the rest of the consonants (not half-ङ, ञ, ण). If the मात्रा is not above the alphabet, use chandra-bindu, but only for nasalization. Thus: अन्दर, not अंदर ; अन्त, not अंत ; हिन्दी, not हिंदी ; सम्भव, not संभव ; पंचमी, not पञ्चमी ; अंडा, not अण्डा ; कंठ, not कण्ठ ; लैंड, not लैण्ड ; आँख, not आंख. However, both forms are acceptable in contemporary Hindi as well as here; the prec. are just recommendations.
  17. When proceded by another vowel, use the pure vowels instead of य (unless the य is clearly articulated while pronouncing). Thus : जाएँ, not जायें (not जावें) ; आएगा, not आयेगा . However, both forms are acceptable in contemporary Hindi as well as here.
  18. Please pay careful attention to the masculine/feminine gender (and singular/plural) in adjectives and verbs, else the sentence becomes ungrammatical.
For more information/suggestions/criticisms, please contact any one of the administrators of Hindi wiki here, preferably en:User:Magicalsaumy. This page can also be found here.

Thank you,

Cygnus_hansa 01:56, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Devanagari rendering in ISCII article

You're right. I thought that the Wikipedia software had a problem, but it is Firefox that is not reordering properly. It shows up fine in Konqueror.Bill 07:40, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jyothika Saravanan move

Hi there, it seems you didn't follow the steps on Wikipedia:Requested_moves#Steps_for_requesting_a_page_move when reqesting move for Jyothika Saravanan, so I just delisted the request from Wikipedia:Requested_moves. Please list it again if you still wish to execute the move. Regards, Dijxtra 17:12, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Ambarish,

My article on the Alaska Airlines Flight 261 is not only reflective of the NTSB report but also of my experience as a fleet engineer with a major U.S. airline. I have extensive systems knowledge of the MD-80 and flight control lubrication on Boeing aircraft. The poor interaction of the Aeroshell and Mobilgrease is observed in actual industry practice. Alaska Airlines was the only airline that had excessive end play measurements on other aircraft within their fleet post the Flight 261 accident. Other airlines (American and Delta) retained the Mobilgrease for the jackscrew lubrication and did not experience excessive end play issues.

-Diamond20

[edit] WikiProject India Newsletter: Volume II, Issue 2 - March 2007

Project News
  • Jimbo's visit to India and the WikiCamp in Chennai: Jimbo recently visited India in late February and early March on wiki work. This included a trip to a WikiCamp in Chennai. The one day conference attracted 300 participants from across India and beyond dealt with issues facing wikis ([1]). It was widely covered by the press, eg The Hindu( [2]), which cited the efforts of Bhadani (edit count), Sundar (leadership on Tamil Wikipedia) and Ganeshk (Creation of Ganeshbot to create articles on Indian towns from census figures). Ganeshk himself travelled from California to attend the conference.
  • Wikipedia Weekly 15: Wikipedia Weekly, a informal Wikipedians' program that purports to give "A weekly audio roundup of Wikipedia happenings with news, interviews and roundtable discussions" recently interviewed two prominent editors Rama's Arrow and Ragib(listen). The entire 34 minute interview was entirely about the world of Indian subcontinent wiki-happenings, and was the first episode which was not entirely dominated by discussion of wiki-politics and wiki-bureaucracy, with the host Witty lama praising the efficiency of the project and its proliferation of featured content. Rama's Arrow cited the team spirit, friendship and respect among project members in discussing its success and FA productivity, as well as discussing subcontinental wiki-conflict. Ragib talked also of his public campaign to raise awareness of the Bengali Wikipedia in his native Bangladesh, which has seen a 30-fold increase in article count over the past year.
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The translation department of the India WikiProject aims to utilize high-quality non-English material related to India for the goals of the project. This includes both translating articles from and to other-language Wikipedias as well as assisting contributors with non-English sources. The department aims to provide services in transliteration, formulating scripts for various languages, as well as translating articles from one language to another and validating sources in other languages to that of the encyclopedia article. If you are looking for a friendly translator here is your go-to point. Currently, we are still seeking representation for Kashmiri, Nepali, Oriya, Sindhi and Tulu, as well as reinforcements in all other languages.
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[edit] Indian collaboration of the week news

As mentioned in Wikiproject Indiua newsletter of March 2007, the weekly collaboration of the Indian wikiproject has fallen from its once high feats. This message is to request the users to visit the collaboration page and help rejuvenate it.

The present collaboration of the week is Religion in India. Please go through the talk page of the article to see the proposed changes in the article. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 05:18, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tamil Scouting

Can you help render "Be Prepared", the Scout Motto, into Tamil script? Thanks! Chris 17:17, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Casey Jones

Thanks for your concern about the article's quality. I provided a reference for the statement that Casey Jones is the world's most famous railroad engineer. I didn't feel it was necessary as it is pretty obvious that he is. If you were to take a worldwide poll as to who was the world's most famous engineer, I think Casey Jones would actually be the ONLY name mentioned. Ask some hard-core railroad buffs and I bet no other name comes up either. Here's what the Casey Jones Museum in Jackson, Tennessee had to say about the centennial of the Casey Jones wreck in 2000: "We have received a great deal of interest in the celebration of the centennial of Casey Jones' wreck from both the media and the general public. We have done interviews with UPI, the Farmers Almanac, The Discovery Channel and the BBC concerning the Casey Jones story and the 100th anniversary. American History magazine featured the Casey Jones story in its December 1999 issue. ABC's Good Morning America has also expressed a strong interest in covering this story. TRAINS magazine, the premier publication for railroad enthusiasts, is planning a major tribute to Casey Jones in April 2000. Railfan & Railroad magazine is also planning coverage of the 100th Anniversary. In addition, the Casey Jones story and anniversary will be the focal point for a major media blitz in the German, Austrian and Swiss travel markets in February 2000. We expect this interest to continue on both the national and international scale." 206.255.99.165 04:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tamil gender

In Grammatical gender you added notes on Tamil with the editorial comment "Tamil has 5 genders, not three. And no, I'm not confusing number and gender - there are really 5 genders)." Can you tell me in what sense this is true? How does saying so differ from calling, say, the English plural a different gender from the English singular or the French masculine plural a different gender from the French masculine singular? —Largo Plazo (talk) 15:35, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[The following is imported from User talk:Largoplazo to maintain the thread.]

When I studied (Tamil) grammar in school and college, the way it was taught is that Tamil has five genders (the Tamil term used is pAl/பால், which means gender or sex). For example, sexology is pAliyal/பாலியல் from pAl, sex and iyal, science.
What was taught was that there are five pAl-s – ஆண்பால் (ANpAl, singular animate male), பெண்பால் (peNpAl, singular animate female), பலர்பால் (palarpAl, plural animate), ஒன்றன்பால் (on_Ran_pAl, singular inanimate) and பலவின்பால் (palavin_pAl, plural inanimate). One could argue that this is a conflated number-gender concept, but to the best of my knowledge, traditional Tamil grammarians have always referred to this idea as gender. Ambarish (talk) 23:27, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Understood that within the context of Tamil either "gender" or a Tamil word carrying the same connotation as "gender" conflates the two concepts of gender and number as those terms are used within the broader framework of linguistic nomenclature. However, broader discussions within a field can't be had when a different, idiosyncratic vocabulary is used for each of the cases being discussed and compared. Under the overarching nomenclature, Tamil, I believe, has three genders—animate masculine, animate feminine, and inanimate—though the plural forms of the two animate genders coincide. —Largo Plazo (talk) 15:28, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I see what you mean. I guess this is a question of whether to fit Tamil grammatical notions into prevailing linguistic nomenclature (which presumably was designed around Greek/Latin linguistics) or whether to use nomenclature that Tamil grammarians have always used, albeit at the risk of confusion. I don't mind either, but if the former, I'd like a clarificatory note somewhere. Please feel free to re-edit my change if you'd like. Ambarish (talk) 02:40, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tabla Taskforce

Hi Ambarish. I've proposed a Wiki Tabla taskforce to help clean up the tabla related pages and construct those that are missing. Your participation would be much appreciated. You can see the proposal at this link. Simon Ives (talk | contribs) 00:36, 15 May 2008 (UTC)