Talk:Amber Lee Ettinger

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[edit] Picture

Should we find a picture that maybe doesn't show her nipples? I'm not sure everyone that goes to this page wants to see boobies.

  • I actually have tried multiple times to replace the image. But User:ALENBA keeps on replacing it with the boob picture. Perhaps we should get the page protected.CoolKid1993 21:58, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
    • I had User:ALENBA warned by Wikipedia. I was told to report him again to WP:AIV if he does it again, that way he can be blocked from editing.CoolKid1993 02:22, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
      • User:ALENBA has been banned from editing indefinitely.CoolKid1993 00:42, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merger proposal

Requested merger because:

  1. Overlap is tremendous. Most people will search "Obama girl" and want both the video and the actress info.
  2. Text is an admitted stub in actress article and unlikely to be expanded.
  3. Virtually no one is searching for the exact capitalization and punctuation I Got a Crush... on Obama. If they're searching by video name, they have to hit that exactly, or get one of a dozen redirects.
  4. There are numerous double redirects, indicating general need for cleanup.
  5. There may be a case for notability of both the video and the actress, but neither is notable without the other. John J. Bulten (talk) 16:07, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Support merge. There's no reason to keep two articles on this topic. Let's just set up the "I've got a Crush" page as a redirect to Ettinger's article. --Elonka 16:15, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose merge, certainly in this direction. The video and the song is what became famous during the campaign; it needs to have its own article. That article name is a red herring, as it can be found via redirects. The double redirects are a red herring, as they can be fixed. Whether Ettinger deserves an article, I'm less sure about. Wasted Time R (talk) 23:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Would you support a merge from the Ettinger article to the "I've got a Crush" article? --Elonka 23:40, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
That sounds like a good idea to me. It seems like the video is more notable than the person. Not that that says much. :-) p.s. Why does every "viral" video on the Internet seem so important to WP editors? I have noticed this before. Steve Dufour (talk) 15:42, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I think it's because many Wikipedia editors are reluctant to actually visit a library and read "hardcopy" sources. Which means, unfortunately, that if they want to add information to Wikipedia, they focus on what's easily accessible via the internet and television. If it crosses their field of vision, they want to add it to the 'pedia.  :/ --Elonka 17:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose merge, she may go on to do something later also this video and Amber Lee Ettinger are two different things. Now if it was a Obama girl wiki page and a Amber Lee Ettinger page thats different but the "I've got a crush" page is about the video. Gang14 08:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose - This person is the primary subject of multiple independent sources (with the Obama video being secondary) and this person has notability outside the Obama video (Miss NYC, etc.) --Oakshade (talk) 22:27, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose - No good reason to merge. Ichormosquito (talk) 05:37, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Support a merge (presumably with the article I Got a Crush... on Obama). I don't see any evidence here that Amber Lee Ettinger is notable in her own right; her only notability is as a result of the 'Obama girl' videos. Terraxos (talk) 02:52, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Obama Girl didn't vote

Should these be included in the article? What do you guys think? TheAsianGURU (talk) 19:45, 8 February 2008 (UTC) http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/06/obama-girl-didnt-vote/
http://www.switched.com/2008/02/07/obama-girl-didnt-vote-for-obama/ http://www.sfbg.com/blogs/politics/2008/02/obama_girl_didnt_vote.html

[edit] Birthdate

Can we get a confirmation on her birthdate? According to this New York Times article dated February 6, 2008 she is 26. What is the source for the current birthdate? Dforest (talk) 23:14, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ethnicity

What is she? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.164.209.139 (talk) 09:19, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

--hot —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.71.231.180 (talk) 17:10, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, you two anonymous have a point. The name Ettinger sounds jewish but according to some sources on the internet [1][2] she is not. And so this leaves this question open for anyone who have better information. --Oren neu dag (talk) 22:37, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] To Obama Supporters. You Can Support Obama, But You Cannot Hype the Page

My source did say that she was well enough to attend a fundraiser party, while she also said she was too sick to vote for Obama when the press asked her during this party why she didn't vote for Obama. WIKIPEDIA IS NEUTRAL.Kevin j (talk) 17:06, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Voting

Before Kevin j continues edit warring on this article could he discuss the edit and answer the following;

  • "and told the press she was sick" - the cite talks of a personal conversation between the reporter and the subject. Where is "the press" (a plural) mentioned?
  • "got stranded in New York" - where is it mentioned that she "got stranded"?

There are also the following problems with your edit, I would appreciate your opinion of the following criticisms;

  • "Despite the large success of her viral Web tribute to Obama" - this is a leading statement, not neutral. You are combining two separate events and suggesting that one should have followed the other. That is your POV.
  • "However, while she was telling the press this on Super Tuesday" - another leading statement. You are connecting two events and implying there is something amiss. That is your POV.
  • "she was also seen interviewing voters across New York City as well." - You do not need to emphasise this with "also" and "as well". The "as well" is redundant.
Personally, I don't understand why her voting or not voting in the New Jersey primary after the nomination has been all but wrapped up is even newsworthy, let alone encyclopedia-worthy. She's a model and aspiring actress, not a political activist. Does her failure to vote somehow undermine her credibility as a model and actress? It's a complete non-issue. I vote for removing that paragraph from the article altogether. Kevin's comments above suggest that his additions to the article are motivated by his political opposition to Obama, which is pretty bizarre. He seems to be confusing the actress who plays Obama Girl with Obama. Capedia (talk) 09:46, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
OK, I'm yanking it. Before anybody re-adds it, I hope they will first come to this Talk page and explain why it is noteworthy that the actress who plays Obama Girl voted in only one state primary, and whether he is interested in the voting habits of the actors who provide the voices for Lil' Bush or participate in political sketches on Saturday Night Live. Capedia (talk) 20:45, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] YouTube video with Mike Gravel

A YouTube video was added May 7, 2008 with Obama Girl and presidential candidate, Mike Gravel called Mike Gravel Lobbies for the Obama Girl Vote. Should that be added to the article? EPM (talk) 19:32, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it's notable. 65.41.92.123 (talk) 03:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] citation needed

I added the following to the article:

It was her appearance on Howard TV that brought her to the attention of Leah Kaufman and Ben Relles, who then contacted her about appearing in "I Got a Crush... on Obama."[citation needed]

I remember her saying this in a television interview, but couldn't find a reliable source online. I hope somebody can come up with a good citation for this fact. Capedia (talk) 22:02, 1 June 2008 (UTC)