User talk:Altsounds

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Hi there, thanks for your interest in Wikipedia. I would suggest reading Wikipedia:External links. We discourage people adding links to their own site ("Adding links to one's own page is strongly discouraged."), as it is seen as "linkspamming". Please see the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to Wikipedia. Thanks, JYolkowski // talk 02:21, 12 July 2005 (UTC)


This is stupid. This is what the article says:

"A few parties now appear to have a spambot capable of spamming wikis from several different wiki engines, analogous to the submitter scripts for guestbooks and blogs. They have a database of a few hundred wikis. Typically they insert external links. Like blog spam, their aim is to improve their search engine rankings, not to directly advertise their product.

If you see a bot inserting external links, please consider checking the other language wikis to see if the attack is widespread. If it is, please contact a sysop on the meta-wiki: they can put in a site-wide text filter. Any meta sysop can edit the site-wide spam blacklist to add or remove the pattern that are recognized by the filter, with the changes taking effect immediately. New links can also be added to the list if a new spammer should start making the rounds.

Sysops are authorised to block unauthorised bots on sight. Spam bots should be treated equivalently to vandalbots. Edits by spambots constitute unauthorised defacement of websites, which is against the law in many countries, and may result in complaints to ISPs and (ultimately) prosecution."

We DO NOT use spam bots and never have done or never will do. We run a quality music resource site which I feel is VERY pertinent to folks searching up info on bands and record labels. NOWHERE in your external links guide does it say that this is not allowed only that it is dissallowed by spamming i.e. getting a computer to do it for you. I put a staff volunteer on this project as I read up on it first to check it would be ok. Based on your documentation it is ok and I wish all our links to be re-instated. We are a quality resource trying to better another quality resource and are getting penalized. We have also been told by others on here that we are not a BIG enough website!!!!!!! What does that have to do with anything?? We have photos, band info, songs plus so much more available that would be VERY interesting to someone researching your bands so what does size have to do with anything???

Please speak with whoever you need to about this and get it sorted out for us because we are being penalized for no reason. If you're not allowed to post external links why is the section there??? If your saying we're not allowed to post links back to our own website then I will just get somebody not involved with altsounds to post the links hence making it not links back to their own website. Sorry for sounding bitchy but I am still very annoyed at what you guys have done to our hard work.

Please advise.

    • User:JYolkowski and I have probably done all the necessary explaining here and at User talk:68.38.148.76. We don't link to music.download.com, Purevolume, MP3.com, or any of the other music download sites because the artists put those links on their websites; so there's no point in making an exception for less-well-known sites. If the artist wants listeners to download their songs, then that artist or that label will say where on their website. We can't make exceptions for sites that have only been up for two months, have an Alexa rank of 367,941 [1], and are looking for publicity. Alexa doesn't think your site is very pertinent at all; "big" only matters in terms of its web traffic rankings, which services like Alexa provide. Spamming doesn't have to be done by a bot; it can be done by a human seeking widespread promotion for their site, their friend's site, or whatever. External links sections are necessary because 99 times out of 100 they link to the artist's official website, and usually also their site on their label, sometimes a Myspace page too (note that Myspace is the 24th most popular site on the internet - Wikipedia's the 58th - and Myspace has an article on this site that has been kept without question) or a prominent fan site (e.g. a fan club). As for policies, Wikipedia:External links answers all of your questions for you when it says, "Wikipedia disapproves strongly of links that are added for advertising purposes. Adding links to one's own page is strongly discouraged. The mass adding of links to any website is also strongly discouraged, and any such operation should be raised at the Village Pump or other such page and approved by the community before going ahead." So even if you get somebody else to do it, it's still spam. --Idont Havaname 19:41, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Altsounds

If you have a close connection to some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Altsounds, you may have a conflict of interest. In keeping with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, edits where there is a conflict of interest, or where such a conflict might reasonably be inferred from the tone of the edit and the proximity of the editor to the subject, are strongly discouraged. If you have a conflict of interest, you should avoid or exercise great caution when:

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Please do not add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a collection of links, nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include (but are not limited to) links to personal web sites, links to web sites with which you are affiliated, and links that attract visitors to a web site or promote a product. See the external links guideline and spam guideline for further explanations. Since Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, external links do not alter search engine rankings. If you feel the link should be added to the article, please discuss it on the article's talk page rather than re-adding it. Thank you.--Herby talk thyme 14:35, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits. The next time you insert a spam link, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Persistent spammers may have their websites blacklisted preventing anyone from linking to them from all Wikimedia sites as well potentially being penalized by search engines. --Herby talk thyme 14:37, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of Altsounds

A tag has been placed on Altsounds requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a blatant copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words.

If the external website belongs to you, and you want to allow Wikipedia to use the text — which means allowing other people to modify it — then you must include on the external site the statement "I, (name), am the author of this article, (article name), and I release its content under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 and later." You might want to look at Wikipedia's policies and guidelines for more details, or ask a question here.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Ged UK (talk) 14:39, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Confused Newb

Eeek I am not sure what has happened here but my page appears to have been deleted :( It's so hard to do things on this site as valuable time trhat is spent on articles just gets deleted. How can I go about helping to add valuable content without it getting removed? I only have a small amount of spare time and wasting that writing stuff for Wikipedia that gets deleted within an hour is wasteful for me. Could someone please offer some help and guidance to a newb? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Altsounds (talk • contribs) 14:54, 7 Jun 2008

OK - in practice you didn't write anything - you copied it from the website concerned and so it was a copyright violation. Equally you continued to place links to the website until your final warning. Bear these points in mind please.
To help you find some info check the links here. Thanks

Welcome!

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My confusion here is more at the fact that everything I do keeps getting deleted. Last week I posted links on certain band pages to original and relevant interviews with band members that will help fans of that band understand more etc. Now I look and all those link contributions have been removed HOWEVER other links linking to other interviews are still present. Why is this the case and why can other sites with relevant content be listed but Altsounds cannot? SUPER SUPER SUPER CONFUSED