Talk:Alternative wine closures

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[edit] "Notable" producers are being laundry lists

Anons keep adding to these lists of "notable" producers using each type of closure. I think these lists should be removed entirely for two reasons:

1. They attract a lot of attention from people who want to promote their winery, diluting their overall significance.
2. As time goes on and synthetic closures become more and more common, this information will be less and less interesting or notable. We are encouraged to avoid putting information into articles that is liable to change significantly with time, and I think these lists are examples of this because their notability is only relevant until synthetic closures become the norm (which is rapidly happening).

Any objections to me going ahead and deleting all the lists from the article? — Saxifrage ✎ 00:30, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

That makes a lot of sense. I would be for the removal. Agne 07:33, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Took 2 months but that area is cleaned. Agne 06:51, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

If user JBWM stops vandalizing the ZORK section then it would be really clean! I'm sorry I'm not familiar with wikipedia procedures, but can something be done about this user whose only "contributions" ever have been to blatantly advertise ZORK on this article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.202.181.161 (talk) 05:03, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Vandal JBWM here. I am sorry if the edited content is perceived as advertorial, however having been involved with the ZORK project in early 2003 to late 2005 and again in 2007 I believe that I have some idea about what I am posting to Wiki. I too am unfamiliar with the technical platform but don't see why the fact I have, to date, only contributed to the ZORK area to be a compelling reason to 'have something done' about my edits. When ZORK 'advertises' its product it is through a targeted and carefully managed campaign. The contribution to Wiki is, I believe in the spirit of the site and as ZORK is a relatively young product an opportunity to correct a number of myths surrounding it's inception and development in the market. Should anyone wish to contact me directly you are welcome to contact my hotmail account jbwmau@hotmail.com [JBWM January 14th 3.50pm Australian CST] —Preceding unsigned comment added by JBWM (talk • contribs) 05:23, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Zork entry

There have been a wide range of concerns about the advert tone of the Zork section and considering JBWM admitted conflict of interest, it would probably be best to hammer out the details of the section here on the talk page rather than edit the article directly. I think first and foremost we should keep Wikipedia's policy of using reliable, independent, third party sources for the edit and to also be mindful of WP:NPOV and to avoid sounding like an WP:ADVERT. We should all be encouraged to assume good faith and not label others editors as "vandals". Agne^Cheese/^Wine 01:03, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I fully agree with Agne. Since alternative closures is an interesting topic to all us "wine nuts", it seems the Zork merits a place in the article, but we do not detail each place of production or send people to producer's sites for additional advertisments for other types of wine closures. Therefore, the level of treatment the Zork gets right now, after Agne's revert seems about right, although I wouldn't mind a reliable reference or two, or a free image. Tomas e (talk) 01:13, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with all the above, but I do not assume good faith when someone marks a section as possible adv. for editing by someone who is a specialist in the area, then the section is being edited and then the user who first contributed that section keeps reverting it back to what it was without any discussion. Anyway, the matter is now closed I assume, and in good faith now, I agree that the article sounds right. Reliable third-party references would be nice as well, but this is where I assume good faith. Thanks, Anthony. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.27.199 (talk) 23:35, 27 January 2008 (UTC)