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[edit] Many complexities and errors in Periodic system of elements are already corrected

Look on Russian sites:

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Makeyev A.K. Great natural-science laws which operate the general tendency of construction of the electronic cloud of atoms in process of growth of the charge of the nucleus of atom.

Makeyev A.K. The analysis and hypotheses: How to divide the natural sequence of elements, to receive the natural periods?

Makeyev A.K. Discovery: The atom is arranged simply.

--83.237.230.80 18:47, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

If this is supposed to tell us something, I have not the slightest idea what. Femto 20:32, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Wiki is not a repository of url's. And certainly not when the url is a non-English language website. So why don't you write a few lines on the topic discussed in the website that you mention V8rik 00:18, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Circular Table

Added by a wiki name matching the person the article cites as creating it? I've seen this before, but never credited to the here-claimed creator. Some citation is definitely needed here, 'cuz right now it smells like Original research and/or simple theft of ideas. DMacks 20:10, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


  • I agree it is likely to be Original research but other entries in this article have been published on the web at the most (not a paper publication)

Also, I created this article to keep this content away from the main periodic table article. In contrast to the periodic table article I tend to be lenient on the content in this one. I leave it up to you if you want the content to be removed V8rik 21:13, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Circular form of periodic table as been created by me. I did submit this tablt to "Nature" long back but got it rejected. I will be very happy to know where you have seen this table before DMacks? And to assure you people, its an original creation by me...(not an theft of ideas). I already have many international publications to my credit and I don't indulge myself in such cheap activities. Mohdabubakr 14:59, 1 july 2006

After seeing this post i have checked for all the periodic tables available on Net, there are few other "Circular Form of Periodic Tables". But all of them are compeletely different from the periodic table that i have shown here. Most of them are complication and highly confusing. I will be happy Dmacks if you go through them all and compare with the one created by me. Mohdabubakr 20:21, 1 July 2006

Sounds reasonable. The article sounded like the whole concept of "circular" was the novel aspect, which is what sounded familiar to me. Not entirely sure exactly what is substantially different here or how significant it is, but in light of V8rik's goal for this article I no longer object regardless. DMacks 02:46, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
I understand where you're coming from, but the section on the Circular Form has some major problems. The writing is hard to understand and, in places, ungrammatical. It is POV; the article gives the circular display and its author more credit and time than the other periodic tables in the article, and refers to the new form as "far more informative", "far more convenient", and so on, without providing any clear and obvious reasons for the vast differences. Even if the lengthy discussion is appropriate for this article (and it seems like, due to the length, it belongs in its own write-up), it needs to be fixed by someone who understands this representation (and the reasons behind it) better than I do. Qqwref 06:05, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Super Extended table

The Super - Extended periodic table, by Chris Dybala, is mentioned here. I can't find it anywhere on the web. I know Chris is a wikipedia user, couldn't he expand the paragraph and provide some more info? That paragraph, as is, is plainly useless. G. 11:49, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dead link

'Paul Giguere 3-D periodic table' external link is dead; has been removed; does anyone know of a similar page? (Link was http://chemlab.pc.maricopa.edu/periodic/giguere.html , accessed 8/2/07.) Cowplopmorris 17:27, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Published source

Hmm...this IP added some information here...[2]. Can we get a journal source for this? --HappyCamper 18:11, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Illustration

It would be helpful if the text referred to the illustration more directly. Why was the illustrated peridoic table created? When?

JeremiahJohnson —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 16:27, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] an alternative periodic table to show shells more clearly

I created this table based on various sources. it is designed so that people can look at it and see teh organisation of the electron shells more easily.

I was unsure where it belongs but am pretty certain it would be useful to many people. would it fit on this page? Drag-5 (talk) 01:51, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Sure looks interesting but way too wide to fit on a single page. The problem is that this article is about alternative periodic tables published and not resulting those from original research. On the other hand you could use the image as an image of the periodic table. But what do the graphs inside each cell mean, a distribution of what ? V8rik (talk) 16:44, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
    • The graphs are pictographic representations of each shell in the atoms. teh plus shape is meant to represent the nucleus of the atom and the dots each represent an electron. Drag-5 (talk) 18:25, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

==== an alternate periodic table for physical property considerations==== The standard periodic was developed based mostly on chemical considerations. It has seven rows and thirty two columns in the wide version. The numbers of columns in each row are sequentially Row/Column 1/2 2/8 3/8 4/18 5/18 6/32 7/32 for a total of 118 elements. The rows contain the indicated number of elements for no particular reason except that is noted that the elements in the columns have a chemical relationship with each other and that chenical affinity or "valence" property of the element is related to it's position in the row. However when it became necessary to discuss a periodic table related to proposed electron orbit and other considerations, it became evident that the standard 7 row 32 column table was not adequately descriptive of either the physical or the chemical period properties of the elements. To summarize, a better table could be prepared, with such table having 8 rows and still 32 columns in the configuration Row/Column 1/2 2/2 3/8 4/8 5/18 6/18 7/32 8/32 with a total of 120. This is a much more understandable table with each row beginning with the start of a sequential set of physical and chemical series. WFPM WFPM (talk) 04:12, 12 April 2008 (UTC) You can see a picture of such a table in Talk:nuclear model WFPMWFPM (talk) 14:30, 17 May 2008 (UTC)WFPMWFPM (talk) 14:02, 28 May 2008 (UTC)