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[edit] MQM MAFIA

MQM mafia and Altaf Hussain's party has used murder, kidnappings, torturing and Bhuttas as their way to expand their Mafia style political party in Pakistan. I think these terrorists needs to be stopped because their agenda is to control the entire territory of Pakistan. These thugs are not sincere to Pakistan at all. They are the true sympathizers of Indian government and want Indian influence in Pakistan. Altaf Hussain is also known as mentally ill man who became obsessed with Muhajirism. He was also recently divorced because of his mental illness. Any intelligent person can tell just by looking at his unimpressive public speaking style.

who ever wrote this

son of a bitch

[edit] MQM and their Abu Garib Style Terrorism

I saw the debate between Imran Khan, Babar and Ajaz ul haq and I felt sorry for Imran Bhai that he was mistreated for his private life matters which was brought up as a more important matter than crimnal history of thug like Altaaf Hussain and his party who only tortures and kills whoever they wants. I have witnessed MQM and their Abu Garib style crimes. My cousin has worked for MQM and he told us that if he leaves the party he and his own family would be slaughtered. Entire Karachi has been suffering because of Altaaf Bhai of India who is getting Bhuttas in the form of water mafia and Karachi people do not have electricity and he is enjoying the cold breeze of London. Imran Khan must get this thug deported to India because if he will return to Pakistan then Pakistanis will teach him exactly what it is like to call creation of Pakistan a blunder. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohammadkidwai (talk • contribs) 07:41, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


[edit] MQM Status as a Terrorist Organisation

I just wana say that whateva they quoted from news paper most of them read and published in Panjab and NWFP, how could a person who live in Serhad and Panjab know the consequences of Karachi.

I live in Karachi, and MQM is a terrorist organization. Actually, Punjabis are surprised to learn the extent of MQM's terror activities. Many Punjabis only fully realize the MQM's fear tactics when they live in Karachi themselves. --Disinterested 06:14, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Ofcourse there was a big masacar happened but i am very sorry to say not only MQM was involved also Agencies and Anti Mohajir factions were involved for this genocidal attacks.

Alright, why is this a "dispute?" These guys are NOT disagreeing that MQM is a terrorist organization; they're simply accusing of others being terroists as well. How does this affect the neutrality? --Disinterested 06:14, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

what you people think that only MQM has terorist faction, for your kind information the first terrorist faction in pakistan was made by Peoples Party and Jamat-e-islami... the first rocket was fired in KArachi, fired by jamat-e-islami from the mosque of karachi university and jamat-e-islami is also responsible to bring Kalashunkuv in Karachi .

They are sick and pathetic, always making fool by the name of religion ... always sit on the laps of army and destroy the peace of Karachi. [Unknown user].

To all the people editing this page accusing Altaf Hussain of being the leader of a terrorist organisation please bring references. I don't like the secessionist policies that MQM stands for, yet this is meant to be an article for Wikipedia. Thus there should be references to bring credibility to whatever is presented here. It does not matter if you reference Urdu online newspapers as long as they are cited and can be read that is fine.
Accusing MQM members of atrocities without references make it hearsay, which in turn only undermines the POV you are representing. Please refer to what Fkh82 and the section "Poor English and unverified claims" says below. Any edits without valid usernames will be reverted be they pro or anti MQM. You have been warned.Shehzadashiq 12:44, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I am from karachi and i have witnessed numerous terrist action by so called MQM and the fact is i am a mahajir too. i don't know why people have such a blind belief on this organisation. why cant MQM followers believe that its organisation can make a big mistake.
MQM ideology is just worship of ALTAF...seriously the way he speaks... like a metal rockstar on issues which are of serious in nature is quite appaling and disturbing. and the whole media is witness to his action now. but its followers are still in denial.

[edit] NPOV

Hey guys. Its ok to not like MQM, most Punjabi people do not like the organization and many throughout Pakistan have questioned some of their decisions..however this article should have nothing buy FACTS, Altaf Hussein being loud and obnoxious is obviously not neutral. Also, MQM has never been called a terrorist organization by the United States. MQM has a HQ in Chicago and branches in Washington DC and NY and are very active in the US. Their official website for the US operations is mqmusa.com. So please let's keep POV and ridiculous statements out of this article. Fkh82 00:05, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

check out http://www.mqm.com and http://www.mqmusa.com

Parts of the article were deleted for NPOV violation. Even if what was said is true it wasn't phrased in an acceptable manner. Please see the section on NPOV and use neutral language when reporting events. Thanks!! SahirShah 11:24, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


There is far too much pro or anti Altaf statements without any references. An encyclopedia is meant to be about facts not hearsay or opinion.Shehzadashiq 13:15, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Karachi does not Belong to Muhajirs

Guys it is sad to say that we have second and third generations of Pakistanis who are born in Pakistan and are still refered as Muhajirs because of some politicians who are misguiding Pakistani people.Those who are born in Pakistan are born Pakistanis not Muhajirs and this is the fact to remember. We are the sons of the soil and we care less about Altaf Hussain and his politics. We are born Pakistanis then Punjabis, Sindis, Baloch and Pashtuns and these are the only provinces in Pakistan. There is no Muhjiristaan and there never will be. Karachi is located in Sindh and therefore people of Karachi are Sindhi people not Muhajirs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohammadkidwai (talk • contribs) 19:55, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] I Don't Agree

If you guys say that if the ppl of Karachi live in Sind so why don't they call their selves a Sindhi. So I am here to ask you one question that,

If ppl of Karachi are Sindhi then why government issue them a seperate Domicile for Karachi? Why government issue them a Sind Domicile?

And one more thing that kia Altaaf Bhai ne Domicile alag kerwaya hai Karachi ka?

pehle zara in sawalon k jawab dedo phir agey koi baat kerna

You all are Panjabies and you all only love Panjab you don't care about Pakistan you all think that Pakistan is only yours and your father's property that why Nawaz Sharif (who is so called Shareef) said that "WE WANT ONLY PANJABI PRIME MINISTER"

If you Panjabies think that every national of Pakistan is Pakistani and He/She has the right to be its Prime Minister then why your so called Leader gave that statement?

You all are Liers, Killers and Bullies

pehle jao apne gareban may jhanko phir koi baat kerna

Jaag Panjabi Jaag ka nara marney wale baat kerte hein Pakistan say mohabbat ki huh........

[edit] Protection

I have semi-protected this page, as WP:COPYVIO content was being pasted onto the page from here, despite discussions with the contributor. --Oscarthecat 10:08, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright violations

I have removed much of the content because it was copied from [1]. Please see WP:COPYVIO if wishing to re-add content. --Jon186 22:06, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Poor English and unverified claims.

The person who has written this article doesn't know proper English. Even though most Pakistanis are aware of Altaf Hussain's criminal activities, this article makes it seem like he hasn't done anything, because the writer doesn't cite his sources. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.133.73.171 (talk) 18:04, 13 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Life of Altaf Hussain

This article does not discuss the life and background of Altaf Hussain at all. Where was he from, where was he educated etc. Readers may also be interested to know his family background as well. It needs to be completed in this respect.--83.156.247.203 17:29, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I have added basic biography. Can somebody else add the background details.Shehzadashiq 13:08, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Imran Khan Dispute

I have tried to cover the Imran Khan/MQM dispute in a neutral manner, as far as I possibly can. Hopefully this won't be deleted by anyone who either likes/dislikes either :) Shehzadashiq 13:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC) Imran Khan is a patriotic Pakistani because he is Pashtun Pakistani and he feels that Pakistan is targeted by MQM people like Altaf Hussain who claims to act like god to the Muhajirs in Pakistan. Imran Khan is also afraid that such kind of ethnicity issue could lead to the revival of Mukhti Bahini organization in Pakistan. I think the word Urdu speaking in Pakistan represents Indian sympathizers in Pakistan and unfortunately are seen as the traitors of Pakistan. Imran Khan lashing out against Altaf Hussain is the main reason because Imran thinks that Altaf Hussain and his open words against the creation of Pakistan will fuel ethnic issue in Pakistan. I am also Urdu speaking Pakistani but I have decided that I would rather use my maiden name instead because I feel that my family name represents the Traitor name in Pakistan and I would like to be represented as Pashtun Pakistani instead of Urdu speaking. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohammadkidwai (talk • contribs) 22:09, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Karachi Riots

I was unfortunately forced to remove content from here because there was very little fact and too much unverifiable content. If such content is to be posted add some references please.Shehzadashiq 14:41, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] British Muslim

In response to Misheus's question "is muslim and has british citizenship- why is he not a british muslim?' Even though he does have British citizenship he never calls himself British and is only here out of convenience to avoid criminal trials being brought against him in Pakistan. He has not stopped being involved in Pakistani politics and even though his British citizenship is a shield he has never contributed anything to British society :)

That does not really matter. He is British and he is Muslim. The issue of contributing to British society has nothing to do with it. Or should I start going over all British categorizations and removing those I don't think contributed anything? Misheu 22:49, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Here is a suggestion, maybe don't edit the article :) The guy calls himself a Muhajir but if it makes you happy make him a British Muslim, along with the other people you like categorising.Shehzadashiq 10:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

very good suggestion! why didn't i think of that before.. it's the best way to encourage active participation in wikipedia. I was told this past week that i should categorize people as "british" only if they have british citizenship or have been living in the UK for a long time. So how about you delete the part about him having british citizenship and living in London? Misheu 19:35, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Categorisation is fine. Go with it but bear in mind Altaf still thinks he is a Muhajir amd you don't want to make him angry :P

I'll keep that in mind. How do you call somebody who runs a Pakistani political party from London, has british citizenship and says he's never going back to Pakistan? Misheu 10:20, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I understand what you are saying but it's not me who refuses to accept him as British. Altaf himself categorises himself thus. Why else do you think there is such a fuss over the whole affair? Shehzadashiq 11:15, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree that it's not simple, but besides how the person defines himself, there's importance to how others define him. Not to go too much into philosophy but the British defined him as British by giving him a passport. He defined himself as British by asking for citizenship, accepting it upon himself, and by living in that country. Misheu 14:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article Structure

Apart from Controversies and counter accusations this article has little information about the subject, his motivations, political career. I know the guy is Partisan but myabe the facts could speak for themselves.Shehzadashiq 08:25, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

There was no article structure. I have brought structure to the article and can fill a lot of data if you and Muamshai stop your vandalism. I have researched MQM for 14 years, I am working on a documentary related to MQM, and I know what I am talking about M12390 23:51, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Consistent Vandalism and Page Hogging By Shehzadashiq and Muashai

Please read biographies of living persons notificattion above.

This page should neither be run be MQM-lovers nor MQM-haters. As I suggested earlier, let's agree on bringing neutrality to the page. I think that is fair. M12390 21:07, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Page's Structure

Based on my agreement with Shahzadashiq, and hopfully with Muamshai, here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Muttahida_Qaumi_Movement, I suggest that the structure of this page should be modified to reflect something like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_mandela

All the information stays, but the structure is changed and the information is shuffled among the agreed-upon sections. M12390 04:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Folks: I am adding a "Controversies" sections at the bottom so that people may introduced well researched controversies around Altaf Hussain. M12390 21:49, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

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