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This sentence does not seem NPOV: "After the Franco-Prussian War in 1871, the Treaty of Frankfurt confirmed the return of these areas to the newly-founded German Empire." If the German empire was newly founded, how could Alsace-Lorraine have been RETURNED to this empire? Sounds like a German nationalist wrote this sentence.

Rescued this from HTML comments in the article, someone thought it was POV:

External link

• http://www.elsass-lothringen.de/

--kudz75 05:39, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Contents 1 "Contemporary History" 2 Vandalism? 3 Merged Republic of Alsace-Lorraine 4 "Neither German neither French nor neutral" 5 Wilson 6 History section 7 Former Countries Project Assessment

[edit] "Contemporary History"

paragraph states: "France is one of only two EU member countries (Andorra being the other) that refuses to sign the Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities, which includes guarantees of the democratic right to freedom of language."

Andorra is not an EU member. Further, the following is from Andorra page "...French also are spoken, although Andorra is one of only four nations (together with France, Monaco, and Turkey) that never signed the Council of Europe Framework Convention on National Minorities." Believe paragraph needs amending to drop EU reference and add Monaco. Tiddy 06:49, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I've changed the section now. J-C V 10:46, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism?

Hi, Why was the entry in the history section deleted?

"After the war the french government pursued a strong "anti-german" policy. The German language as well as the german-dialect "Elsässisch" were strictly banned from public life (Street and City names, official Administrations, educational systems etc.)

In recent time however, official and private initatives have been trying to reverse this process, thus accepting the bi-lingual and bi-cultural heritage of the regions."

I don't see the vandalism to be honest......!?

[edit] Merged Republic of Alsace-Lorraine

Separated article of Republic of Alsace-Lorraine was merged. --Matthead 21:34, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Why? It's distinuguishing the region from the former Nation. Baka42 12:53, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

The independent Republic deserves to be described here as it is an integral part of the history. As a separate article, it might be overlooked, and most of the content is redundant anyway.--Matthead 20:29, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

A joke:

Under the later periods of German rule (between 1871-1918 and between 1940-1945), a policy of Germanization was pursued and the use of the French language was restricted. Ethnic Germans were encouraged to settle in the region...

Ok let me explain something to you: this is non-sense. In our language we use for the inhabitants of germany the word "Prejsse" (Prussians) to talk about them because we can´t use easily dejtsch (Deutsch) which we also are... got the point ?

How does germanizing people who are ethnical german like we are make sense ??? this looks like a blind copy-paste from an old french nationalist history book and is not so clever.

Is it then like americanizing americans ??? scandinavization of norwegians or something like this ??? Instead of using "Ethnic germans" you should use simple "germans" or people from other german provinces were encouraged to settle.

[edit] "Neither German neither French nor neutral"

How much sense makes this? Joining Switzerland? --Matthead 19:54, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Presumably a modification of Trotsky's "neither war nor peace" Septentrionalis 17:44, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wilson

However, the assertion that Wilson or Congress supported the Soviet Republic of Alsace-Lorraine seems out of character. It requites documentation. Septentrionalis 17:44, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

French hypocripsy. Think, emigration to American Midwest started because of this.

I'm removing this line. I have never heard the eighth of Wilson's Fourteen Points interpreted in any other way than a support for France reclaiming the territories it lost in 1870-71. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 22:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History section

Why is the pre-1870 history section of this article so extensive? There is more information here than at the supposed main article, Duchy of Lorraine. This article should focus on the actual territorial entity "Alsace-Lorraine" created in 1871 until Versailles (or possibly 1945). While there should be a brief summary of the pre-1870 history, most of the current text should be split between Alsace, Duchy of Lorraine, and/or Lorraine (province). Olessi 01:34, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, you are free to add information from this article to the Lorraine (province) article, but removing information from wikipedia isn't usually a good idea.

--Jadger

I didn't say it should be removed, I said it should be moved elsewhere. ;-) Olessi 04:03, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

well, before you remove it from this page as I said, you should add it to the others. Wikipedia has a guideline of be bold. add the information to the other articles, then we can discuss on here what should be removed from this article.

--Jadger 04:07, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I added a significant chunk of information to Alsace; there was little that could be added for Lorraine. The pre-1870 information in this article should be slimmed down so the article focuses on its title material. Olessi 02:49, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Former Countries Project Assessment

Great article. Needs more references and/or footnotes/citations in order to reach B-class, though. LordAmeth 10:22, 11 June 2007 (UTC)