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[edit] Asterisks

Can someone please explain the significance of the asterisks? They seem to mean nothing here. Beginning 20:56, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)

(I guess it took a year for your answer!) My assumption would be that they are inactive or "dead" chapters. To confirm that, I did searches on the web sites of three of those schools (VCU, Richmond, ODU) that I didn't think had chapters. Sure enough, none of them listed an AEPi chapter. --BDD 13:19, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

The asterisks are indeed inactive chapters. That can be confirmed by going to www.aepi.org and you will see the same asterisks next to the same schools with a note saying that those are inactive chapters.

[edit] Amazing Irony

It's just funny how a Jewish frat uses Latin acronyms. Rome WAS responcible for the destruction of the Second Temple, killing more than 2 mil Jews during the three large uprisings, and staring the diaspora. Not that I hold a grudge ;)

...just irnonic though.

(Well, I don't think AEPi would quite fit in with other frats if we named ourselves saomething like "Aleph Ein Peh."

-Sneaker.

...you do know it's Greek, not Latin, right? Adam Schloss 04:13, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

...you know its responisble, not responsible, right?

Ah, and the Greeks were so much better for the Jews. -Joshuapaquin 07:45, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

We shoulda been אהפ (Hay is the equivilent of Epsilon fyi), and so what if we wouldn't fit in? We're Jews! We don't fit in anyway, plus we'd join the elite group of frats without greek names like farmhouse (but we'd be cool cause Farmhouse is a kinda silly name for a frat). SF2K1

[edit] Copyviolation? Experienced editors please comment

It looks to me like just about the entire article has been lifted from the history page at the AEPi website. Course of action? -Joshuapaquin 04:38, 1 November 2005 (UTC)


who cares - it's not negative and AEPi hasn't said much, so it's ok under copyright law.

-sneaker.

Actually, it's a big deal even if AEPi doesn't complain. Content in Wikipedia is placed under a special license, so that it can be used again by others. So if we put something copyrighted here, it's like we're trying to change the author's rights without their permission. So copyrighted stuff without explicit permission is not OK. -Joshuapaquin 19:05, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't know what you're talking about. I wrote the bulk of the history section, and I summarized the information from the website and from other sources. That is historical fact, and since I rewrote that, there is no copyright violation. As for the mission statement, that does appear to be lifted directly from AEPi. However, that section is not a subjective desription - it is reporting on the actual publicly available mission statement. This is akin to quoting from a speech made by a public figure. SSherris 22:28, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

You're taking about the current history section, right? If so, this is a misunderstanding. For a while, the History section you wrote had been replaced by a straight copy-paste job from the AEPi website of a rather long text, see here for the diff where I reverted it back. I think the history section in the article right now is just super. -Joshuapaquin 02:04, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Userbox

For anyone who happens to be a brother of AEPi, I've made a Userbox you can put on your user page.

Just put {{User:UBX/aepi}} on your userpage, and

ΑΕΠ This user is a brother of Alpha Epsilon Pi Fraternity. 



will show up and automatically put you in the "Wikipedians in Alpha Epsilon Pi" Category -- pm_shef 00:06, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Only current international Jewish Fraternity?

I know for a fact that Sigma Alpha Mu has an active chapter at McGill in Montreal, Canada as well as numerous ones in the US. The Mcgill chapter just got activated this year, but im not sure that AEPi's claim is true anymore.

Sammy is not a Jewish fraternity anymore. It hasn't been since the vietnam Era when AEPi was the only fraternity to insist on only allowing Jewish members, which is why it has a 99% Jewish percentage of it's fraternal population. SF2K1

  • Yup, Sammy itself admits that it's a 'historically' Jewish fraternity, same with some locals of Pi Lambda Phi, AEPi is the only national that's officially Jewish. -- pm_shef 21:27, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Is AEPi REALLY Jewish, or is it required by nondiscrimination, etc. laws to admit anyone regardless of faith, race, ethnicity, etc.? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]]).

  • Yes, AEPi is really Jewish. Check the website for more confirmation. -- Chabuk [ T • C ] 16:20, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Under most public instituions' governance processes, no student organization is allowed to discriminate membership. The notable exception is gender (and only gender) for historically single-gender fraternal social organizations. So how does AEpi get around this?
  • AEPi does not discriminate against other religions, and indeed there are a number of gentile (non-Jewish) AEPi brothers. However, the credo is Jewish, as is the symbolism behind the fraternity. LeoDaVinci (talk • contribs)

fraternal organizations are also exempted from some non-discrimination law, be they the free-masons or college fraternities.


Fraternities are legally allowed to admit or deny admission to anyone they want so it isn't a matter of law. The policy of AEPi is that it does not discriminate solely on the basis of religion, however if a non-Jew desires admission they must be seeking it in order to comply with AEPi's mision statement of creating Jewish leaders, so this is rarely the case. There are chapters where this policy is less strictly adhered to, but AEPi is in fact the ONLY "real Jewish fraternity"

I'm going to have to disagree with EVERYTHING you said there. There are no "Black Only" fraternities; just historically black ones. Such as Sigma Alpha Mu is a historically Jewish fraternity (Like AEPi). Jmlk17 06:04, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
  • The difference is that while Sigma Alpha Mu is historically Jewish, AEPi is both historically and institutionally Jewish. -- Chabuk [ T • C ] 15:04, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Hah...I'll go ahead and take my foot out of my mouth :). Thanks for the clarification. Jmlk17 23:26, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Its been a while since I've been to a AEPi conference on rush, but in '05 we were told that if a gentile asks for a bid, we better have a reason besides religion for why we're not giving him one. We can try and fight this bid by telling the potential pledge that this is a Jewish fraternity, and put an emphasis on the Jewish part, but it still relies on the potential pledge changing his mind. Again, this is from memory. I don't know anywhere that this can be cited from, so don't take it as the official ruling. Jklharris 23:25, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "UNOFFICIAL" BLOGS

OK - What's up with the "unofficial" blogs? 2 is OK, but we're going to end up with 2,000 blogs from AEPis and AEPi alums if there isn't some better standard. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SSherris (talk • contribs).

  • Thanks for pointing that out, they shouldn't have been there in the first place as they fall under the spam links rule, I've removed them. -- pm_shef 21:14, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chapter List

While defunct chapters have been noted with an asterik, some listed chapters, notably the "colonies" are not officially recognized. IMHO it is irresponsible to list those which either AEPi national, or local instituions do not officially recognize. —The preceding unsigned comment was added 19:31, 12 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Examples

[edit] Proposed Solutions

  1. remove the colony section.
    • harsh, possibly unproductive
  2. remove all unrecongized groups from the colony section.
  3. create subsections noting nationally & institutionally recognized, either or and none of the above.
    • confusing and would not conform with Wiki-standards
  4. identify those colonies which are officially recognized by National and those recognized by the institition (similar to the asterik phenomena)


I live on the Guelph campus and I am an AEPi brother. The school has not recognized either AEPi or DU as affiliated with the school but we both a presense on the campus and organize events together at times. Although both frats are new we are growing larger each year. AEPi does have contact with many other chapters with Canada and the USA and we go on road trips to other chapters who recognize us and allow us to stay there. Removing us from this list is wrong so keep the colony on the page until our request for chapter status has cleared. - AEPi brother @ Guelph

Owning to our particular and special mission statement, AEPi will frequently recognize chapters that are not recognized locally by the schools they exist at. Guelph (as shown above) is a perfect example. Another key example was Georgetown where we were the first greek organization at the school where none were recognized. They are REAL AEPi chapters and deserve recognition in the chapter list. The best list to go by at any given time would be the chapter roll on the official aepi website www.aepi.org -AEPi Educational Leadership Consultant (International organization employee)

If you choose not to just link the list back to the AEPi website (which is usually pretty current with active chapters and colonies), then just leave the list as it stands. Defunct chapters should still be recognized because they did have alumni... and they still contributed to the nature of the fraternity as it is now. Similarly, as mentioned above, some schools choose not to recognize fraternities officially, despite them being viable, good organizations. To ignore "unrecognized" chapters (or even colonies) or failed attempts at colonization (eg, Dartmouth) is unfair to all our brothers. Keep them. 71.234.109.192 22:10, 5 October 2007 (UTC)rhetoric

[edit] Philanthropy

It should be noted that not all chapters send their philantrophic donations to the Holocaust museum... My chapter, for example, contributes to Magen David Adom, the ambulance corps in Israel... 71.234.109.192 22:07, 5 October 2007 (UTC)rhetoric

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