Talk:Alma Mahler-Werfel

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"Alma and Gropius's daughter, Manon (1916-1935), died of polio in 1935, aged seventeen." Correct me if I'm wrong, but that seems like a physical impossibility, given the dates. I am not entirely sure myself what would be right, but this sentence is certainly wrong. elvenscout742 00:26, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Did Berg write only one violin concerto? If so, maybe the article should say "his violin concerto" instead of "a violin concerto." BTW, I like how this article pulls together with the violin concerto article. Danny

Yep, he just wrote the one - I changed it to "his" and also put Violin Concerto in italics seeing as it's referring to a specific piece now rather than a type as it was before. And I agree, the cross-over between here and the concerto article is rather pleasing. Good work on this article, by the way. --Camembert

Double-check me on this, but it seems Manon Gropius was about 17 years old when she died. (Born 1916, Died 1935). So her death in 1935 can't have been the cause of marital discord between her parents, since they were already divorced and her mother had married Werfel in 1929. I've put the chronology right, but the wording could do with some help. --- Someone else 04:45 Apr 1, 2003 (UTC)

Here's the chronology as I've put it together:

Alma Schindler
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Birth:  31 Aug 1879     Vienna, Austria
Death:  11 Dec 1964     New York
Burial:         Vienna, Austria
Burial Memo:    Grinzinger Friedhof, Vienna, Austria
Plot: Group 6, Row 6, Number 7
Father: Emil Jakob Schindler (1842-1892)
Mother: Anna von Bergen (1857-1938)

Spouses
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1:      Gustav Mahler
Birth:  7 Jul 1860      Kalist, Bohemia
Death:  18 May 1911     Vienna, Austria 
Burial: 22 May 1911     Vienna, Austria
Burial Memo:    Grinzinger Friedhof, Vienna, Austria
Plot: Group 6, Row 7, No.1
Father: Bernard Mahler
Mother: Marie Hermann
Marriage:       9 Mar 1902      Vienna, Austria
    Children:   Maria Anna (1903-1907)
                    Anna Justina (1904-1988)
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2:      Oskar Kokoschka
Birth:  1 Mar 1886      Pöchlarn
Death:  22 Feb 1980     
Unmarried:              first met in April 1912
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3:      Walter Gropius
Birth:  18 Mar 1883     Berlin, Germany
Death:  5 Jul 1969      Boston, Massachusetts
Burial Memo:    cremated
Marriage:       18 Aug 1915     
Divorce:        (when?) 
Children:       Manon (1916-1935)
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4:      Franz Werfel
Birth:  10 Sep 1890     Austro-Hungary (later Czechoslovakia)
Death:  26 Aug 1945     Hollywood, California
Burial:         Vienna, Austria
Burial Memo:    Zentral Friedhof (Central Cemetery), Vienna, Austria
Plot: Group 32 C, Number 39
Marriage:       8 Jul 1929      
Children:       Martin Charles Johannes (1918-1919)
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Interestingly, the daughter who actually grew to adulthood, Anna Mahler, sculptress, married five times, and generally kept it within the arts: Paul Zsolnay, Ernst Krenek, Anatole Fistoulari.

-- Someone else 08:06 Apr 1, 2003 (UTC)

[Was Alma not an pan-germanian ? "http://www.algonet.se/~hk-kyhle/stories/alma.html" says so. And the reason why she fled austria was since she opted the side of the jews much since Franz Werfel was jewish.]


[edit] Her Art

Is there no one who can elaborate on her other than her marriages and personal life? This article needs more information on her as a composer, painter (education, works, style, etc.) and whatever else occupied her creatively. I am going to put at least some information in the entry, but nothing more than a stub. scazza 18:21, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Go ahead, if you have anything. It's pretty clear that her "contributions" are already well-covered (or un-covered). Wahkeenah 18:34, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
      • that may well be, but to have scant more than 'Also a painter, she was known as ambitious, and often described as power-hungry, in a section entitled 'artist' is pretty poor biography. that description could apply to anyone from Picasso to Pollock, and thus does not give us much of a sense of Mahler as an artist good OR bad. perhaps the section title should be changed; it could, after all, be anything, so why not POWER HUNGRY PSEUDO-ARTIST, if that's truly all there is?***

People like Alma Mahler Gropius Werfel make you realize how little you've accomplished??? It seems pretty clear from this:

"Last December 13th, there appeared in the newspapers the juiciest, spiciest, raciest obituary it has ever been my pleasure to read. It was that of a lady named Alma Mahler Gropius Werfel*, who had, in her lifetime, managed to acquire as lovers practically all of the top creative men in central Europe. And, among these lovers**, who were listed in the obituary, by the way, which is what made it so interesting, there were three whom she went so far as to marry: One of the leading composers of the day, Gustav Mahler, composer of Das Lied von der Erde*** and other light classics; one of the leading architects, Walter Gropius, of the Bauhaus school of design; and one of the leading writers, Franz Werfel, author of the Song of Bernadette and other masterpieces.

It's people like that who make you realize how little you've accomplished. It is a sobering thought, for example, that when Mozart was my age, he had been dead for two years!"

that he was referring to people like Gustav Mahler, Walter Gropius, Franz Werfel, and Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart.

...?

[edit] Her Names

I found, earlier today, in her What-lks-here,

  • List of people by name: Mah-Mam
  • List of people by name: Schi-Schl

and these Rdrs:

I added

  • List of people by name: Grj-Grz#Grob - Grop
  • List of people by name: Weo-Wer#Wep - Wer

and, after doing a 1st-draft of the "Alma name list" below:

Alma name list as of 22:05, 28 February 2007 (UTC):

--Jerzy•t 22:05, 28 February 2007 (UTC)