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[edit] Blown Up

Under the Controversial Nature section it reads, "...an activist from the Hebrew Defense League showed up, proposing violent retaliation against whomever painted [the swastika], but upon leaving, he was blown up in his car, as the Bunkers watched in horror from their front door." If I'm not mistaken, he, meaning the activist, wasn't blown up. The neighbor from down the street whom the swastika was meant for (and whom the activist was trying to protect) was blown up.


Absolutely not. It was definitely the activist and his car. The last line of the show is Archie spelling this out. Claude 14:57, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Origin of the Phrase

I think the fact that there was a syndicated political column called "All in the Family" for thirty years is a significant bit of trivia for this page. Can you ask Norman Lear if he'd heard or read the title before he coined the phrase?Hank chapot 06:46, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Lear didn't coin the phrase; it's been around a lot longer than the show. Darguz Parsilvan 11:38, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Asking Lear himself and including his answer here would also be original research not permitted in Wikipedia. 147.70.242.40 (talk) 19:02, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sammy's Visit

I don't see how his excitement is "in spite of his bigotry". His excitement merely shows that when it comes to celebrity status, his bigotry runs in the other direction. Hackwrench 02:44, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

I disagree in that despite Archie's enthusiasm in meeting a celebrity his racism is so deeply ingrained that he says things to Davis such as he can understand that he's "colored, because you didn't have no choice in that, but what made you turn Jew?" and using his interpretation of the Bible to say that God didn't want the races mixing because "he put you guys in Africa and the rest of us in all the white countries." His bigotry is so much a part of his personality he didn't even intend offense when saying these things. Davis even mocked this when he pointed out that if Archie were a bigot he would have called him coon or nigger, but instead used the term colored (considered derogatory by that time). -Tom 10:28, 28 April 2008

[edit] Pictures

The pictures have disappeared.

I remember my mom and her siblings saying that Grandpa had an "Archie Bunker for President" t-shirt, and that it was his favorite shirt.

JesseG 22:07, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Reruns in the last season

This isn't an issue specific to All in the Family -it's applicable to all articles about TV shows on Wikipedia - but I don't know how to write about a last season's summer reruns in an article that mentions the last airdate. The truth of the matter is that CBS broadcast episodes of AiTF past April 1979 - they did so right on through the summer in reruns. So while I understand the change you made, Mike, it also isn't exactly true. But I don't know quite how to say it in the article - that the last original episode aired in April but reruns (i.e., CBS broadcasting the series) continued right up through the summer. Ideas? Because this is a common problem on all of these articles and it'd be great to come to some kind of consensus for the infoboxes, etc. Moncrief 06:18, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)

You can always say "final original episode aired on April so and so 1979" and have it be true. I think it's a given that a show still airs reruns in the summer. Mike H 03:18, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)
I agree that most Americans realize that US shows air summer reruns (or did nearly universally until recently), but not all readers of Wikipedia will know this (for example, British readers from an entirely different system of TV airings). I clarified it in this case, but I still think it's something we need to be aware of in other TV articles. I don't have the answer. Moncrief 03:22, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Astoria?

Please offer proof - which episode, season - Archie mentions they live in Astoria. I've read in several places that the neighborhood of Queens they lived in was never mentioned. There are references to Northern Boulevard, but also references to being somewhat close to Kennedy airport - in other words, amorphous locations in Queens. The house filmed in the opening credits isn't anywhere near Astoria, Queens. Moreover, Manhattan is referred to as being a fair remove from their neighborhood - a rather long subway trek - and that's not indicative of being in Astoria either. Moncrief 23:46, July 9, 2005 (UTC)

According to The Complete Directory to Prime Time Network and Cable TV Shows (Tim Brooks and Earle Marsh, ISBN 0345455428), 704 Hauser Street is located not in Astoria, but Corona, Queens, which the Wikipedia article there states. Another book, Archie & Edith, Mike & Gloria (Donna McCrohan, ISBN 0894805274) states the address is in Astoria, Queens. Neither book gives an episode where this information came from. I can't remember hearing anybody say it in the show, but I hadn't paid attention, either. Both of these books are pretty accurate. Rt66lt 03:01, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
I remember hearing Astoria mentioned in an episode, but I cannot remember which one. This weekend TVLand is running a marathon of "All In The Family" with the top ten favorite episodes. The Astoria episode may be in the mix. I never knew anything about Astoria, Queens, etc. It wasn't a tid bit that matter very much. However, now that you have brought this discussion into the mist of this talkpage it is something I desire too find out more about. --Bumpusmills1 02:12, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
  • The 15 January 1977 episode "Archie's Chair" (episode 148 of season 7 from the List of All in the Family episodes[1]), Archie told an artist his address was 704 Houser Street, Astoria, Queens. So there's the answer. --Bumpusmills1 12:03, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
  • There is a direct reference to Astoria, as the place of residence of the Bunkers, in episode 127 of season 6 from the AITF Episode Compendium[2]. A jeweler friend of the Bunkers, Bernard Bernstein, the inventor of a remote front door bell ringer, mentions that the reason the invention does not work is that the "ionospheric waves (or something similar)" may be different in Astoria.--Jazzeur 18:12, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Another direct reference to Astoria, as the place of residence of the Bunkers, is made by a lady reporter granting Edith with the «Citizen Of The Week» award for saving a man's life using CPR, in episode 142 of season 7 from the AITF Episode Compendium [3].--Jazzeur 22:03, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
  • In the Archie Bunkers Place episode "Stephanies Tryout" , she wears a jersey that says: "Astoria".

[edit] Locating «Hauser Street» project

This project is an attempt to locate the fictional 704 Hauser Street by interpreting other spatial references mentioned in various episodes.

  • In episode 180, from the AITF Episode Compendium[4], Edith mentions that the address of Denise, the waitress with which Archie had a Brief Encounter (episodes 134 and 135[5]), is 113-64 67th Street. In episode 134[6], Denise says she knows that Archie does not live far from her and that Kelcy's Bar is not far from her place neither. The question is: «Was this ever, or is this still, a valid Queens, NY address? If so, where is it really located?» A possible location[7] for Denise's apartment.--Jazzeur 22:08, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
  • In episode 187, from the AITF Episode Compendium[8], Archie has to go to the Elmhurst police station to get Edith, who was arrested for passing a counterfeit $10. The address of the Elmhurst police station (115th Precinct) is 92-15 Northern Boulevard, Queens. It is fair to assume that this location[9] is not far from the Bunkers.--Jazzeur 21:17, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
  • In episode 197, from the AITF Episode Compendium[10], Edith mentions that they should contact a synagogue on 97th Street so that Stephanie can get teachings in the Jewish faith. It is fair to assume that the this location[11] is within a reasonable distance from 704 Hauser Street.--Jazzeur 20:58, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please stop bumping up your spammy site in the External Links

Or I'll delete it altogether. It's less useful than the Encyclopedia of Television link, far more commercial, and certainly less professional and neutral. If you want to make Wikipedia the best it can be rather than just using Wikipedia as a platform for your own marketing, you'll stop changing the order of these sites. Moncrief 06:24, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Controversy

what was the controversial thing of this show, why is it categorized as a controversial tv show

Hopefully this section from the 1970s article will answer your question.
In the United States, television in the seventies was transformed by what became termed as "social consciousness" programming, spearheaded by television producer Norman Lear. All in the Family, his adaptation of the British television series Til Death Us Do Part, broke down television barriers. When the series premiered in 1971, Americans heard the words "fag," "nigger," and "spic" on national television programming for the first time. All in the Family was the talk of countless dinner tables throughout the country; Americans hadn't seen anything like it on television before. The show became the highest-rated program on US television schedules in the fall of 1971 and stayed in the top slot until 1976—to date, only one other series has tied All in the Family for such a long stretch at the top of the ratings. Mike H (Talking is hot) 05:19, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] TV Land 10 Ten

The weekend of January 14 & 15, 2006 has been great for "All In The Family" aficionado's everywhere. The Number One episode is when Sammy Davis, Jr came too pick up his briefcase. --Bumpusmills1 13:46, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pilots

This page is incorrect in stating that there were only two pilots made; in fact, there were three, each featuring different actors playing the daughter and son-in-law (and at least two actors playing Lionel Jefferson). -- Gerkinstock 03:48, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cast changes

The article does not say when Mike and Gloria moved out. I have seen the episode, of course, but I don't know what season it is. Since Edith's "departure" and the Jeffersons' departure are well-documented in the main article, it seems to be an omission for the Stivics' departure (and move next door and Joey's birth, both before it) not to be detailed. I am assuming, if incorrectly, that the Stivics left when the actors' five-year contracts expired, and they made guest appearances under other arrangements. GBC 21:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Mike and Gloria moved out in episodes 175 to 177, at the end of season 8. --Jazzeur 17:47, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Origin of "dingbat"

Porky in Wackyland#Notes mentions a TerryToons cartoon character named Dingbat. Is this where the word came from? Clarityfiend 20:41, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] «All in the Family» trivial references

  • What is the name of Dr. Sidney Shapiro's father (see episodes 193 and 202 [12])? The name of Dr. Sidney Shapiro's father is: Dr. Seymour Shapiro (see episode 124 [13]).

--Jazzeur 14:04, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

  • In episode 200, from the AITF Episode Compendium[14], Stephanie tells Archie that she is doing a homework in mathematics in which one of the questions is: «"A" and "B" are in a race. "A" is going at 4mph and left 2 hours before "B". "B" is going twice as fast as "A". How long will it take for "B" to catch "A"?» The answer is: «"B" will catch "A" in 2 hours; at a distance of sixteen miles from the starting point.»--Jazzeur 20:31, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citing sources

How ocme this article doesn't cite its sources like some of the other article do? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TommyHearns321 (talk • contribs) 00:39, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:All in the family.jpg

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[edit] Greatest Character Claim

The article states that TV Guide named Bunker the greatest TV character, but there's currently no citation for this. Furthermore, I recall a TV Guide list of the 50 Greatest Characters (the issue featured Star Trek's Spock and others on the cover) in which Louie from Taxi was given the Number 1 position (if I remember correctly). This suggests that TV Guide has had more than one list of this type, so in addition to the citation, a date specifying which list is referred to should also be added. --James26 (talk) 16:21, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Footnote

Why won't the footnote in the sequence at the bottom of the page work? Nick4404 yada yada yada 00:58, 5 April 2008 (UTC)