User talk:Alive Would? Sun

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[edit] Welcome

Welcome!

Hello, Alive Would? Sun, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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[edit] a-ha

Jeg ser at du har jobbet masse med den artikkelen. Ser bra ut så langt. - Aphasia83 (talk) 17:45, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Takk for komplimange. Hilsen --Alive Would? Sun (talk) 17:47, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Great to see all your work on the a-ha pages, especially putting all the discography info into charts. I'm sorry to see you reverted most of my additions to the discography page. You have to remember the internet is not God. Most sites are incomplete, and many sites do not present their information in an easily searchable way. The information for the a-ha BPI certifications comes from the BPI's own site, but you can't simply search for "a-ha", you have to search for the individual titles. I do not know why a search for "a-ha" does not bring up all their certifications, but it does not. The Billboard site is also notoriously underreporting chartings, and the RIAA site does not include all certifications either. Please investigate my claim about the BPI search and restore my edits, as I don't want to get into an edit war. I don't fault you for mistrusting my edits, or for not being tenacious enough on the BPI site. But have faith in what you know or suppose to be true, and give it that extra effort, and you'll find the citations you're looking for more often than not. I didn't have personal knowledge of the BPI awards, but I'm intimately familiar with the music industry and one look at the chart peaks told me there had to be more British certifications than were cited in the article. I followed my hunch—and my innate mistrust of website data—by modifying my search, and there it all was. — And don't be discouraged by the warning below. You can check to see how your edits look by clicking the "Show preview" button, and then paging down to find the edit window at the bottom and continuing your edits there, clicking "Show preview" each time you've reached another stage in your editing you'd like to check. Wikipedia benefits from editors like yourself who know a lot about their subject and are willing to do the work of citing material and formatting it in preferred Wiki style, and you're to be commended for that! Welcome and keep up the good work! Abrazame (talk) 12:28, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll check that out, thanks --Alive Would? Sun (talk) 12:30, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

You go to http://www.bpi.co.uk and click on "STATISTICS" in the greenish box on the upper left. Then you click on "CERTIFIED AWARDS" in the white scroll panel just to the right. Next, type "Hunting High" (without the quotes) in the SONG TITLE field. Do not type anything else, and do not click anything else except the green "START SEARCH" button. You will see that it was certified Silver on 12.18.85, Gold on 1.13.86, Platinum on 2.1.86, Double Platinum on 9.28.86, and Triple Platinum for cumulative sales, several years after its chart run ended, on 3.1.92. Scoundrel Days shipped Gold and went Platinum a month and a half later. Stay On These Roads shipped Gold and went no higher. What surprised me was how well not one but two hits collections did there. On the other hand, the U.S. gets an awful lot of imports from the UK, which presumably count as sales in the UK whether or not they sell in the U.S., and I'll venture a guess that this arrangement is partially responsible for UK chart statistics, with U.S. buyers bolstering those high UK debuts, and at quite a hefty premium. Abrazame (talk) 12:58, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
See my talk page for continuation of your discussion, in order to keep it together. Abrazame (talk) 13:59, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Warnings

You have made excessive amounts of edits to a single page, specifically the A-ha discography. If you mean to mislead users as to your edit count, I request that you cease and desist. Also, I noticed that you have posted comments in a language other than English. When on the English-language Wikipedia, please always use English, no matter to whom you address your comments. This is so that comments may be comprehensible to the community at large. If the use of another language is unavoidable, please provide a translation of the comments. For more details, see Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. Thank you.

Nothing is "wrong" with your editing, but you seem to have made large amounts of edits in a row, which raises your edit count, but seeing as you are only editing a single page, it is not really fair for your count to go up that many times. By all means continue to edit, but try to do it all in one go, instead of saving the page multiple times. Also, other might assume that you are assuming ownership of the article, which could lead to additional warnings and even a block. Also, a large portion of the discography page was identical to the main A-Ha article, and this text has been deleted. Sorry to play the bad guy here, but it is a policy.The man in the mask (talk) 20:46, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I just happened to come across this page and saw this. This is a ridiculous warning. Yes, it would be better if you use preview more before you save but no one cares (or should care) about your editcount. No admin will block you for this. Garion96 (talk) 19:21, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks i agree. --Alive Would? Sun (talk) 19:22, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Take on Me

Hi Alive Would? Sun. I noticed you've removed the table on this article, although it was the format used in all songs and albums articles. In addition, WP:CHARTS says among other things : "The chart positions should be organized into one table, and the table should be formatted using class="wikitable sortable". (...) Within the table, no chart positions should be boldfaced, as this violates Wikipedia's policy regarding neutral point of view." Please, can you explain why you want a different table in this article ? Regards, Europe22 (talk) 20:28, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for your reply ! Europe22 (talk) 20:42, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Love is Reason" single

Hi—I don't believe this song was ever released in the U.S., where it was the b-side of "Take on Me". Was it released in the UK, or just in Norway? I'm under the impression that "Love is Reason" must have been the second single after the first release of "Take on Me", the one which went nowhere in the UK. I'm a stickler for chronology, as it makes a big difference. For example, it's quite understandable if "Love is Reason" wasn't a hit in the UK if it came after the first "Take on Me" release, which had also gone unnoticed. It's a bit more of a problem for them in their own country, given that "Take on Me" had been a #3 hit. If, on the other hand, "Love is Reason" was released everywhere in the world, after "Take on Me" was a worldwide smash, and then it failed to chart, that would be a significant failure. Was there ever an extended remix version of "Love is Reason," as there was for just about every other a-ha single? Was there a video for "Love is Reason"? If we can place a fact with enough other facts to give context, it is more interesting as well as more encyclopedic, and is something from which a reader may draw a conclusion. If we simply say it wasn't a hit, so that's a disaster, it's both POV and potentially misleading from a historical standpoint.

Furthermore, if we say "Love" was the second single, that means we have to call "Sun" the third single (as you do), but if "Love" was only a single in Norway, then really "Sun" is the second single everywhere but Norway, and so to call it third anywhere but the Norwegian-language Wiki is misleading.

Finally, I've always found it fascinating—and, again, misleading—that many countries' music charts are so short, not even a full 40 places. It's misleading from the standpoint of saying a song like, say, "Cry Wolf", was a moderate hit in the U.S. because it was the 50th most popular song in a given week, and yet we might be saying "Love is Reason" was a flop when it may well have been the 50th most popular song in Norway in a given week, just because the Norwegian charts only go to 30 (or however long they are). Do you see my point? I mean, I understand that #50 in the U.S. is a whole lot more sales and radio audience than even top 10 in most other places in the world, and yet it would seem to bear mentioning when you say a single or album didn't chart. To a U.S. reader, not charting means a single didn't make top 100 and an album didn't make top 200, and so that reader is likely to presume it means something similar or equal anywhere else, whereas in many places it merely means it didn't make it all the way up to the top 30. That seems hardly a disaster, when it may well have been #32. Maybe this point is better made in an article about various countries' pop charts, but again, to give relative context, I think it would be more educational to say, "In (X Country), it didn't make the country's Top 30 chart," for example, rather than to say "In (X Country) it didn't chart". Abrazame (talk) 13:42, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Considered to be one of their best songs"

Your mention of "Hunting High and Low" contained this claim, which is the sort of thing Wiki editors don't like unless it can be cited as having been said by a legitimate reviewer or a band member. It's dicey to include things like fan polls. If you have citations, by all means add it back in. Is it a song that is included in concert even when other songs of the period are not? If so, such a mention might allow some to draw as a conclusion a claim which would otherwise be removed by some future editor for being POV. By the way, I'm editing the album article, so refrain from doing anything on that for right now so there's not an edit conflict. Abrazame (talk) 15:07, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Component charts

Hi, please do not add component charts to the Wikipedia:Record charts as you did to the Misery Business article, WP:CHARTS states that "Billboard component charts should not be used in the tables, unless the song fails to enter the main chart, but appears on an airplay or sales chart." Thank You. Lillygirl (talk) 14:16, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


[edit] a-ha awards

Could someone please add these awards, to a-ha's award page:

( First of all there should be a mention that the list is just a partial list of awards that a-ha has received. Not in any way complete )


  • The Golden Rose Festival, Switzerland 1986: Best musicvideo award for Take On Me
  • Goldene Europa awards in Germany: Best video award: Take On Me ( 1986 )
  • Goldene Europa awards in Germany: Stay On These Roads ( 1988 )
  • Goldene Europa awards in Germany: Comeback of the year award ( 2001 )
  • Nordic Music Awards 2004 - Prize of Honor
  • Australian Video Awards 1987 : award for Hunting High and Low Music video
  • Azzurro 87 Festivla in Bari, Italy: a-ha receaves an award
  • Montreux, the "IM&MC Gala": "best group video award" (British Industry Award) – Cry Wolf
  • Berolina Awards 1987 – Berlin: Best international group award
  • Australian "Count Down Awards" 1987 : "Most popular international act" award
  • The "Diamond Awards – Antwerp, Belgium: Diamond award for the song “ Touchy “
  • BMI awards rewards a-ha for over 1 million plays of " Take On Me " on American radio ( 1991 )
  • BMI awards rewards a-ha for over 3 million plays of " Take On Me " on American radio ( 2007 )
  • Guinnes Book World of Records: a-ha playing for the largest paying audience in the world ( 1991 )
  • Per Gynt Award: a-ha got it in 1987. More info on this very special award:

The Per Gynt award is an honorary award handed out to people and institusions that has made a positive and responsible mark on society in Norway and who has made Norway known abroad.

The award is named after the main caracter in the famous Henrik Ibsen dramatic poem " Per Gynt " from 1867.

The award was first handed out in 1971 and has through the years been awared to some of Norway's most respected people, including sports figures, culture figures within music, film and books, politcians and diplomats.

The first award in 1971 was awared to the then primeminister of Norway, Einar Gerhardsen, who got it for his work in rebuilding Norway after world war 2.

SOURCE: http://www.darsu.btinternet.co.uk/ahadiary.htm

Mortyman (talk) 19:05, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] June 2008

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