Talk:Alistair Ian Cragg

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[edit] How Cragg got an Irish passport

I've removed the stuff about "ireland's liberal nationality laws as its just wrong. he qualifies through his grand parents NOT great grand parents. You cannot qualify for Irish citizenship through great parents. See here Irish Citizenship and also the IAAF profile linked in article. I've also removed the POV stuff about little ties to the country as per WB:BLP " Unsourced or poorly sourced negative material about living persons should be removed" Dodge 09:04, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2094-1512922,00.html
His Irish passport was obtained in and around ten years ago and the above article sets out the details. In short the article explains that he obtained a passport on the basis of his great-grandparents being born in Ireland.
  • The IAAF page contradicts that and its based on an interview with him. I've changed it to based on his Irish ancestory. As I've worked in the citizenship area I'm removing the "Ireland's liberal law" bit as its untrue. Please don't put this bit back in. Also removed the bit about the little ties as its irrelevant to this page. (Have left the bit in about first visiting Ireland when 23 (not 24 - just before 2003 European Cross Country) and never having lived In Ireland. Have added link above to main article Dodge 13:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
    • New Text reads "Cragg declared for Ireland in 2003. He had represented South Africa as a junior athlete in an international cross country race. He qualified for an Irish passport on the basis on his ancestry. It was a controversial move as he had never previously visited the country, nor indicated his wish to run for Ireland. " I suggest we live it at that. Any more looks bitter. Would also appreciate if you logged in and signed your posts, rather than remain anonymous Dodge 13:50, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


See Ian O Riordan interview with him, final link on page-

So here is Alistair Cragg, 24-years-old and by far the most exciting prospect in Irish distance running - who just hours earlier stepped foot in the country for the first time.

Also see quote from above-

"For as long as he can remember he's held an Irish passport. The story he's found himself telling over and over involves his mother's great- grandparents, who left Dublin and Killarney almost a century ago and sought a new life in South Africa. Much later South Africa offered a window of a couple of years that allowed his parents to give their children passports from the country of their great-grandparents, and so Ireland began to take on some personal relevance.

The times online and Ian O Riordan articles are based on an interview with him too.
      • Fine, more links the better. Can we agree to leave it the way it is as it reads better saying "ancestry", rather than specifying great grand parents? That way indicates the author has a problem with it and we can't hace it that way due to WP:POV I'll edit the O'Riordan link to mention it outlines his background. Will leave rest of article alone as I think it reads well the way it is. (putting in reference note for article) Dodge 16:26, 11 August 2006 (UTC)