Talk:Alice in Chains/Archive 1

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Clerks Soundtrack Contribution

wouldn't it be worth mentioning they made a song for the movie Clerks

Oh Yeah whoever did the logo/picture work rules! (on the right side)

Its made this page look way better than those standard wiki pages! -unsigned

uuuh.. am i missing something?? or has it changed since you posted this??124.184.70.211 07:54, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

AIC Singles

Hey dude at the bottom who wants to know shiz about the singles that were released... Well i jst got the information that was previously on the page and wasnt set out very good and put the albums n singles in tables n shit so they look better so cant answer ur question anyways np everybody for doing the tables no need to thank lol chris...ChrisMHMChris

Obit line, Italics

The obit line clearly belongs in the article about the person, not the band, and that article needed major surgery anyway to remove all the effusive nonsense, so I put it there. Also, album titles should be italicized in running text, but not is a bullet list discography. LDC

Why no italicization? That seems to be more common, e.g. Bad Religion, Beatles discography, Patti Smith. --Eloquence 23:50 29 May 2003 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Filmographies and Discographies, that page would disagree, as do I. (I.e., we agree they should be italicized.). -- John Owens 00:03 30 May 2003 (UTC)

Prior name

Quoted from article: "Staley met and was joined by guitarist and song-writer Jerry Cantrell in 1987, renaming the band Alice in Chains, and, along with two of Cantrell's friends, bassist Mike Starr and drummer Sean Kinney, they began writing original material and playing local Seattle clubs" What was the band renamed from?

Alice 'n Chains. --jh51681 23:33, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
In actuality, it was Alice 'n Chainz, but no big deal.La Pizza11 22:55, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually the original name was "Fuck". They used to hand out condums at their shows that said "Fuck" - the Band. Read from AIC box set insert. Although when the Alice name was adopted it was originally as stated above.

thanks

AIC fan here (since after they disbanded), but for some reason i never thought to visit this article. thanks to all who made it a well written and informative blast. dug the chronology. SaltyPig 11:58, 3 August 2005 (UTC)


Staley/Cantrell

Alice in Chains is definetly my favorite band, but I only wish that Jerry Cantrell would have allowed Layne to sing more of the songs in their catalouge (especially for lead vocals). While Jerry may have been a more consitent song writer and less dependant on drugs, it is Layne's exceptionally powerful voice that put this band over the top and Jerry's mediocre voice is not what the fans really wanted to hear in the end. TKforever 16:04, 27 March 2006(UTC)

You got that right!

Comparing the two, its pretty obvious that the better vocals were of Layne Staley anyday I feel this certain angst (sorry for the cliché) while I hear him sing,its probably the shrillness of his voice and the fact that its not a very often heard vocal pattern that gives hid voice this certain character which sets him apart. Or maybe I am just obsessed with this bands music!

Vijeth 14:59, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I've been listening to the band for a long time, and I always liked the combination of the two voices and particularly the great harmonies in a lot of the songs. It really sets Alice apart from the other bands of the same period.12.162.189.80 19:06, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

The Pic

... looked a lot better large. Laszlo Panaflex 19:27, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Clash of the Titans?

Anyone know anything about Alice in Chains opening the Clash of the Titans tour in 1991? I've heard that was a big boost toward their mainstream success. 72.40.53.121 23:25, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Classic lineup?

the years on the "classic lineup" are misleading... the band was inactive for much of it due to Layne's health. For me, the "classic" (if there was one) AiC lineup was with Mike Starr on bass, not Mike Inez. With Starr they recorded Facelift, Sap and (most importantly) Dirt. With Inez they recorded only Jar of Flies and the self-titled release.

Dirt was their artistic peak according to most critical sources and, I would guess, is most popular with the diehard fans. Added to that, the Facelift/Sap/Dirt era was their most active touring period (although I guess Inez came in for the Dirt tour). I know I'm just being pedantic, but Alice in Chains were a very special band for me, and I loved them at a time when I was way too serious about music fandom. So it looks like I still take them too seriously.

I think perhaps it would be best just to refer to the different lineups as "original lineup" and "second lineup". Starr was an important part of the Alice legend even if he did fuck things up (and even if Inez was way better). Alice was one of those bands where you could take snapshots -- "classic" snapshots -- from various points of their career. You watch the video for Would? and it's Starr there with the intro and that is their all-time pinnacle. Or if you prefer Man In The Box it's Starr there again. The classic Inez moment was probably the Unplugged set, but man it was sad to see Layne look like that.

--217.158.132.130 03:40, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Nu-metal

Due to the fact that Alice in Chains has no turntables, no rapping, and predates the "nu-metal" genre by a full decade, I can't see how anyone could seriously suggest that this band is nu-metal. They fit squarely into the grunge/alternative genre of the late 80s and early 90s. My conclusion is that the recent edits are a prank by someone who is just not a fan of the band. Rhobite 05:12, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

They are indeed nu-metal. Paul Pierce Fan 23:35, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Alice In Chains is not nu-metal. I agree with Rhobite's comment.La Pizza11 18:58, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, they are nu-metal. Stop trying to defend them as not being Nu-Metal because they are.

If they truly are nu-metal, provide a source which verifies this. Googling "alice in chains grunge" comes up with 314,000 results. Googling "alice in chains nu-metal" comes up with 65,000. I check the first few pages and most are not actually refering to Alice In Chains as nu-metal, but are either: 1)Explaining the bands influence on nu-metal (without them being nu-metal, or 2)Talking about Godsmack not being nu-metal but instead being post-grunge (because of their obvious AIC influence). If you can provide proof, I will allow you to change the genre. Until then, though, they remain classified as grunge.La Pizza11 23:03, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Please please do not insult Alice in Chains by calling them nu-metal. They were around way before any of the so called "nu-metal bands" and probably had more talent in sean kinney's drum sticks then in most nu-metal bands as a whole. Seriously, I can see the debate being Metal vs. grunge but calling AiC nu-metal is ignorant and nothing short of insulting Jason Scalia 06:23, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Alice in Chains is not a nu-metal band. If you can provide some proof, I'll agree with you upon the fact that Alice in Chains is a nu-metal band. Otherwise, every edit you make claiming they are will be reverted, and if must, we will have someone block you. Squid Vicious 19:43, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
I couldn't help but notice that the people saying AIC is nu-metal are almost all IP adresses, not user names. The one supporter of the "nu-metal movement" who is a user has a vandalism message on his Talk page. Just an observation. La Pizza11 00:18, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Just because you feel the term nü-metal is insulting to them because most nü-metal groups are bad (like Alice in Chains, however that's irrelevant) does not change the fact that they are a nü-metal group. You do not see people trying to change KoRn or Linkin Park's classification to something else. PaulPierceFan 23:46, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Are you freaking serious "Paul Pierce Fan"? Get the hell out of hear with Korn and Linkin Park references in a discussion about AIC. Nobody cares about Korn, they have no relation to this article and only show your complete ignorance on the matter. Everything you say in this discussion takes me one step closer to the edge and I'm about to break. I find your answers aren't so clear and all your thoughts on this matter make no sense, you find bliss in ignorance and you won't seem to go away... 67.171.17.174 22:28, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

They're not nu-metal. Not only do sources not place them in that category, but Alice in Chains preceded the nu metal phenomenon by a good number of years. WesleyDodds 01:05, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Don't bother with this guy. I happened to check the code of the page, and in it the vandal lists the group's status as "Crappy" or the like. This link[1] shows it.
I listed them as crappy because they are. However, this is irrelevant. http://www.last.fm/music/Alice+in+Chains/+tags shows that they are categorized as nu-metal.
Yes, they have 8 votes for nu-metal, but they also have tags for genres they obviously are not, e.g. jazz, female vocalist, trip-hop, etc. That is not a valid source. La Pizza11 21:54, 16 April 2006 (UTC)


Alice In Chains are not Nu-metal, but I can understand that many find them similar, as they probably influenced an good deal of Nu-metal bands. However the argument that Alice In Chains existed previous to the "Nu-metal movement" is not a good one, the music is what matters. Give a good reason, related to the music, as to why they're not Nu-metal so that everyone can see that it is so. I am also sceptic as to calling them grunge, they seem more of an alt. metal band lumped into that category simply for being contemporary to it.

"I listed them as crappy because they are". You're such a penis. There is no way that Alice In Chains could possibly be considered Nu-metal. Do you hear rapping and/or turntables in their songs? The argument about them not being Grunge is a better argument. But what does define Grunge? It's a very loose definition applied to many bands from the Seattle area.

They came out of the scene with the likes of Nirvana, Pearl jam, Soundgarden, Mudhoney, Screaming Trees, etc etc they even recorded Right Turn with members of Soundgarden and Mudhoney on Sap calling themselves "Alice Mudgarden" as a joke. how does this make them "nu-metal"? this makes no sense to lump them in a genre they predated by a number of years. I'll say stick to "grunge". Xuchilbara 04:15, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


Nu Metal? Alice In Chains? Go fuck your self! They are pure grunge and even associating them with that crap genre is an insult in itself. First time I'm hearing this crap. Guys, don't let that fool get the better of it. AiC is grunge and that's never gonna change. -Ozzmen-

ALICE IN CHAINS ARE GRUNGE ALL THE WAY!!!

Not necessarily grunge...

Since grunge was such a blanket term for the emerging seattle music scene in the early nineties, it's hard to really place any one particular band under this genre. Alice in Chains were definitely more metal but were classified grunge more because of where they were from and when.

Metal? I considered them to be grunge, but not because of where they were from. I classified them to be grunge because of their fusion of metal/punk/alternative influences. TearAwayTheFunerealDress 15:25, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Grunge is the label that they were/are put under, that really shouldn't be disputed. It is blatantly evident that the traditional heavy metal influences are very apparent on their debut, as well as other albums. I guess most people that edit this page are somewhat unfamiliar with either their early work or what metal is, to be reverting these edits. I even cited the Encyclopaedia Metallum entry, who are well-known in the metal realm for their strict submission guidelines. A good amount of the so-called "heavy metal" bands on Wikipedia do not show up there. There really isn't much reason for getting rid of metal other than ignorance. --Ryouga 00:27, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Alice is way more metal than grunge the only reason they were labeled grunge is because of there seattle roots and look, all of the grunge bands (Nirvana, Mudhoney, Screamin Tress etc) were on Sub Pop and playing local shows while Alice was out toruing with Van Halen, and if you listen to the music its obvious that facelift, dirt, & tripod are Hard Rock albums if not metal albums

Not Grunge

If someone would care to revisist their alice in chains albums, they will note that they are not grunge but metal. the reason aforementioned for being labeled grunge is widely held to be true, just ask some actual fans. and for that matter, soundgarden is also not grunge and to a lesser extent, neither is pearl jam. anyone care to comment? Lue3378 08:46, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Though you definitely have point, I disagree withyou. Grunge is the term used to describe early 90 bands almost exclusively from Seattle that fused metal and punk. Grunge music describes a large amount of bands which do not necessarily sound similar, but do have similar roots and lyrical themes.La Pizza11 18:58, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

I do believe Alice in Chain's music would be best described as metal, but due to the fact they came from Seattle during the so called "Grunge Explosion" they would best fit under the "grunge" banner. Grunge was more a term used to describe a certain style of dress and locality as opposed to music. Most of the "grunge" bands did not sound at all similar. Alice in Chains was metal and belonged to the Seattle Sound genre of music, but history will always list them as a grunge band. Just my $0.02 on the matter Jason Scalia 03:55, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Alice in Chains started as a metal band but later became grunge. People used to give them shit for not being part of the Sub Pop grunge scene, although later they became friends with a lot of bands like Soundgarden. WesleyDodds 07:20, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I also have to add that regarding the whole Seattle scene, Layne Staley was close friends with both Mark Arm of Mudhoney and Mark Lanegan of the Screaming Trees, both of whom are considered to be musical pioneers of the Seattle movement.

I think that all grunge bands are really alternative metal bands, as they play an alternative form of metal, fusing punk/metal and whatnot. as somebody said before, grunge is a label created by mainsteam record companies and refers to the clothes and the culture rather than the actual music.

I agree with you because Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains and Sound Garden were more punky Metal or Punky Hard Rock. Thats what I liked about these bands! Is Guns N Roses not the real pioneers of turning rock around? They used punk with Metal/Rock but to a lesser extent than the 90s punky Metal/Hard Rock bands.

This debate will go on and on, I prefer Metal, they did tour with the likes of Megadeth, Slayer, & Anthrax and they started out as a hair metal band. But I can see them also labeled as "grunge'. Xuchilbara 04:27, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Just thought I'd add my thoughts here: Few, if any, 'Grunge' bands sound very similar; the unifying aspects of Grunge for me were: Attitude; appearance; lyrical content; geographical location and time. Those are the only things that actually tie together most Grunge bands. Anyhoo, I say keep the Grunge tag for that reason, and because most people get into AIC after hearing of them as 'a really great Grunge band' or similar. Stratpod 03:33, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Sweet Alice: bootleg?

Is this just a bootleg? [2] (look at the cover!) and [3] ("Sponge Records"?) say it is. --jh51681 01:57, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is a bootleg. [4]. This shouldn't be listed here, or noted as their first release. -- ChrisB 19:02, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Metal-Archives.com says it's really a demo. 64.142.89.105 02:51, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Metal-archives is wrong. The demos are AiC demos, but Sweet Alice was not released by the band in any official capacity. The demos didn't see official release until Music Bank. -- ChrisB 03:00, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Photograph needs names

Could anyone please provide names by sitting order for the featured band photograph? thanks, Artsfiend 03:50, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Ann Wilson joining at SAP

"which also featured guest artists Ann Wilson of Heart, who joined Staley and Cantrell for the chorus on "Brother"."

I am pretty sure it's not "Brother", but "I Am Inside", am I right?

She sings on both songs on Sap, but on the Music Bank version of "Brother" her vocals were removed. --jh51681 07:00, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

AIC template

Am I the only one kinda bothered by Layne's position in Alice's template, down in the article? It makes him look like an irrelevant, touring member for the band. --Clementduval 05:32, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

No, you're certainly not the only one. At least in my opinion, Layne Staley was the very heart and soul of AiC, and I would list him at the top of both the infobox and the AiC template, because I am of the opinion that AiC died alongside of Layne.
However, Wikipedia:WikiProject Music would disagree with me (see Bands, section 3). They state that current members should be listed first and then former members. It's a travesty, I know, but I do feel that if anyone bothers to actually read the article, they will realize the integral part of AiC that Layne was.
Regardless, if there's enough of a concensus here on the talk page, we could certainly ignore Wikipedia's suggestions and place Layne higher on the list in the Infobox. What does everyone else think? - Runch 16:07, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Perhaps we could add the list of founding members above current members.

I dont think Layne ever left AiC. He lives on in their music. He sang most of the stuff and wrote some. He really was AiC. Jerry was really important too(he wrote so much) but its just easier to replace a guitarist if they leave a band than a vocalist. If I was Jerry I wouldve started a new band with a new name instead of trying to keep AiC going without Layne(like Dave Grohl did with Foo Fighters after Kurt offed himself). Lamentingvampire09 12:52, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I think this is one of those cases where the Ignore All Rules thing makes sense. It just seems wrong. --Clementduval 03:25, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

dave grohl is the only nirvana member in foo fighters, man... it would have been absurd for him to get new musicians and tour and record as nirvana, as kurt WAS nirvana. the whole timbre of the band is based on his unique voice and riffs. and foo fighters are more mainstream than alternative.124.184.70.211 08:10, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

AIC Singles

I'm currently in the process of gathering information on all of Alice in Chains' single releases, as I'm planning to do some big improvements to Wikipedia's coverage of the subject. What I need help with is the following:

The AiC page currently lists both "Hate to Feel" and "Don't Follow" as singles, but I can't find any evidence that Alice in Chains ever released those songs as singles. If you have any information on them, please let me know, either here or on my talk page. Otherwise, I'll remove those items from the list when I start my updates. Thanks, Runch 05:02, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Canceled Tours and Shows

The article makes it sound like AIC just chose not to tour because of Staleys "health", but I clearly remember them just not playing shows they were schedualed at. They were supposed to be on the "Summer Shit" tour with Metallica, Suicidal and Candlebox. They were even on the advertising and merchandiseing, but failed to show up at either the L.A. or Las Vegas dates. I am thinking that at least 3 times I had a ticket to a show that they were supposed to play at and did not. The only time I actually got to see them was on the Facelift tour. It would be interesting if it could be researched what tours they actually did, and what tours and shows had to be canceled due to Staleys.. uhhh.. "health". Flagg 29

Picture

Where has the pic gone?!

aah there's a new pic, minus staley. i think the old pic should still be on there, although not at the top, as they still recorded everything with him. put it back i say, in the past members section 88.110.94.205 15:40, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

The old picture was removed due to a lack of copyright information. I have a feeling the new picture is also a copyright infringement, since I really don't think it qualifies as a press release photo, but I'm not going to fight that battle for the moment.
In general, everyone who has been adding pics to the page over the past couple of weeks should be sure to read and understand Wikipedia's policy on copyright and images. - Runch 23:29, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

The Picture Is Gone

Man rules rules and more rules, I thought Alice In Chains fans were rebels not copyright followers. Theres to many poseurs these days.

Haha, yup, you're right! Fuck the copyrights! Be a rebel! - ozzmen-

^^Clever. Guys? This page is not controlled by AIC in any capacity, it's controlled by Wikipedia. If it was controlled by AIC we wouldn't need the copyrights now would we? 82.27.205.126 16:20, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Why Does Heavy Metal be constantly removed?

Alice in Chains are Heavy Metal also so why is this removed from the info box on the left? Alternative Metal is what they are but there Heavy Metal also. Its not vandalism bitch!

It gets removed because it's redundant. By definition, Alternative Metal (which is the genre listed) is a combination of Alternative Rock and Heavy Metal. - Runch 22:41, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Would it not be better to put Heavy Metal, then Grunge and in brackets Alt Metal?

no, because they were more alternative/grunge with a bit of metal124.184.70.211 08:24, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Covers

Anyone has a clue about AiC covers performed by other bands? I only know "Nutshell" done by Adema. Staind did that one too I think. Can anyone research on that. Would be nice to mention them at the bottom of the article.

WTF was the Music Bank?

via this part: "... Early career (1987–1990) In 1987, Layne Staley met guitarist and song-writer Jerry Cantrell at a party and allowed him to stay at the Music Bank with him. ..."

Was the Music Bank his recording studio or what? I know there's an album called "Music Bank"... but, that sentence makes it sound like it was a place too. Would be nice if someone would explain. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cowicide (talk • contribs) 22:20, 3 February 2007 (UTC).

The music bank was a rehearsal studio in Ballard Washington. The music bank had 45 rooms, a lot of Seattles finest moved in an out of the Music Bank at one time or another. Layne and Jerry used to work there when the band was still Diamond Lie, checking people in and out, opening doors, etc. It was closed down when Seattle PD busted a huge Marijuana growing operation next door, the largest bust in Seattle history at the time. The owner of the Music Bank was implicated in the bust somehow and it was shut down in the early 90s if I remeber correctly. Poncherello 21:55, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Pearl Jam's 4/20/02 track

I was going to add a sentence about Eddy Vedder's lament "4/20/02" - a hidden track on the Lost Dogs album, but then I wondered about whether it really fits? It is certainly relevent. aLii 00:12, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

It's specific to Layne, so it probably belongs in his article. (It's already mentioned there.) I don't think it's relevant to Alice in Chains as a band. -- ChrisB 05:50, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Genre.

Look, guys, ffs, will you discuss the Genre here and stop just editing the info box? It's such a pointless edit and its all that happens to the artical, just figure it out here and lets get some proper editing done, I'm not a massive fan but I'll veture the opening of the debate: I prepose Alt-Metal.--Ferdia O'Brien 18:25, 25 February 2007 (UTC)


Grunge should be the first one, heavy metal doesn't fit Alice in Chains at all. Nickoladze 04:48, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

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Is the bit about "a sweaty homosexual orgy" a piece of wiki vandalism or an actual joke the band made?

Martin Rundkvist

Heroin

I was at a friends house and his mom had an AIC album called heroin does anyone know anything about that? Skeeker 21:03, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I do believe that is an album the band put out themselves, way before Facelift or a bootleg. Can't remember which. Xuchilbara 01:08, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I've got a copy of Heroin myself. It is a foreign import. Or, at least, my copy is.;)--Bobblehead (rants) 01:18, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Its a rare bootleg, I could have bought it but someone stole it. Skeeker 02:20, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

It's a compilation (bootleg) album: [5] --CircafuciX 05:01, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Fair use criteria

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Alice in Bondage

I've been hearing radio stations refer to these guys as Alice in Bondage now, perhaps a move with a redirect from this is appropriate? --CharitwoTalk

17:01, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
I trust you have a reliable source saying the band has officially changed their name. Otherwise a move is premature. --Bobblehead (rants) 18:01, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Other than what I've heard on Radio Stations, I don't, sorry. --CharitwoTalk 21:23, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Category

Why is there no category for this band. There was but it was deleted, Why? Skeeker [Talk] 08:05, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

A band photograph.

This article needs a photo of the band. I see the old one was removed because, apparently, only Creative Commons photos are favored now - why not go over to Flickr and see some? I like this, it depicts all of the current members (kind of, Kinney's hiding behind the cymbal). Will the nc-sa license be a problem though? Litis 20:08, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

If the article for AIC in a different language has a picture we can use it right? See these: [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] Skeeker [Talk] 18:31, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

No, it doesn't automatically mean that..the picture should be free, or it should have a fair use rationale. I guess you can choose to have a free photo of the current reunited band in the infobox, or a promo photo of the "classic" line-up with a fair use rationale. (Or maybe even a free one can be found on the net.) My opinion is that the infobox should have a recent photo, for example from 2006, and a classic line-up photo should be included somewhere in the text. Gocsa (talk) 22:31, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Just because it is on Flickr it does not mean you can use it on Wikipedia. Unfortunately, most images on Flickr can't be used without permission of the author. The licensing on Flickr has to be CC-BY-SA[13] or CC-BY[14]. --Bobblehead (rants) 23:03, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Copyrighted pictures of bands, if they are still active, cannot be used in article infoboxes even with a fair use rationale. I have sent e-mails to users on flickr to change the license of pictures, and they are nice enough to do so. I have done the same with a nice picture of Alice in Chains, although the bassist is not in the photo. M3tal H3ad (talk) 03:15, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Awesome, is it of the current line-up or original? I would like to be able to have both sometime.
Thank you,
Skeeker [Talk] 21:38, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Well it's in the infobox atm. M3tal H3ad (talk) 07:22, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

GA nomination on hold

Please leave a note on my talk page when you're done with this stuff. — Dihydrogen Monoxide 23:44, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

  • "The band has released three studio albums, three EPs, two live albums, four compilations, and two DVDs" - At the moment, only EP is wlinked, which looks slightly odd. Either wlink everything (studio album, EP, live album, compilation, DVD) or nothing
  • "due to his death in 2002." - Reword to "who died in 2002"
  • I don't think ref 3 is published by All Music Guide - it seems to be AOL to me...
  • "Cantrell asked Sean Kinney, a drummer dating Cantrell's sister at the time, to join the band." - Add an "also" after "Cantrell" and before "asked"
  • "After recording a series of demos in early 1989, the band released their first official recording in July 1990" - Instead of wlinking to July and 1990 seperately, just wlink to July 1990
  • "preparing the way for the release later that year of the group's first full-length studio album Facelift, the album debuted at number 42 on the Billboard 200 charts" - Reword --> "preparing the way for the release later that year of the group's first full-length studio album, Facelift, which debuted at #42 on the Billboard 200 charts"
  • Publisher for ref 7 would be Rolling Stone in conjunction with Simon & Schuster, work would be The Rolling Stone Encyclopedia of Rock & Roll, date would be 2001
  • "and since it's release it has been certified 4x platinum by the RIAA." - "it's" = "it is"...remove the apostrophe so it reads as "its"
  • Not sure if ref 12 is a reliable source...
  • "On 25 January 1994, the band released their second acoustic based EP entitled, Jar of Flies." - Remove the comma after "entitled"
  • "It featured their first and only number one single on the Mainstream Rock charts entitled, "No Excuses"" - Reword (move comma) --> "It featured their first and only number single on the Mainstream Rock charts, entitled "No Excuses""
  • "adding fuel to speculation about Staley's addiction" - Addiction to what?
  • "This would be the last studio album that Alice in Chains would produce" - If indeed they release a 4th studio album, you'll need to remove this sentence/reword it
  • "Throughout the entire show it was clearly visible that Staley's strength was decreasing. At a point in the program Staley sang the incorrect verse to the song "Sludge Factory", causing the song to break down, and restart the song." - Ref/Source? Also reword "causing the song to break down, and restart the song" to "causing the song to break down, and forcing the band to restart it"
  • "Cantrell continued writing and recording, releasing his first solo album in 1998 entitled, Boggy Depot." - Put the comma before "entitled", after "1998"
  • "A live album simply titled, Live, and a second greatest hits compilation titled, Greatest Hits are the group's last official releases." - In both cases, move the comma before the word "titled"
  • "released in 2002 entitled, Degradation Trip, to Staley." - Same as above - comma before "entitled"
  • "All music guide praises, "Alice in Chains was the definitive heavy metal band of the early '90s"," - All Music Guide (capitals). Wlink it too.
  • Don't think ref 35 was published by All Music Guide
  • Refs 19 and 36 are the same.
  • "Cantrell's guitar playing style is described as, "uncompromising creativity"." - Remove the comma. Also, I don't think ref 37 is very objective as it seems to be his website...
  • Sap (album) should probably be moved to Sap (EP) or similar...?

Reviewed version: [15]

Good luck, — Dihydrogen Monoxide 23:44, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Passed. — Dihydrogen Monoxide 01:05, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

FAC Comments

Comments to Alice in Chains

  • To be more particular, add the caption in the photo, like where and what concert they’re having.
  • Delimit the associated acts with a comma.
  • Along with bands such as…
  • Alice in Chains is known for their distinct…
  • Successive use of although.
    • It's only used twice, and in seperate pararaphs.
  • Plagued is not the proper word, I think.
    • Yeah it is.
  • Change by to with, as in, with extended inactivity…
  • …after 13 years.
    • No it is alright as is.
  • Capitalize S in seattle.
  • Link cover please…
  • Struggling is a bit POV.
    • How? They wer struggling, there is no other way to put it.
  • Who included drummer…
  • Basist to Bassist
  • Cantrell's band full time in  I think there is a missing word here. It sounds ambiguous.
  • And eventually took the name of Staley's old band, Alice in Chains.  The spelling is different. So, there must be an explanation why they changed it.
  • References two and three have space in between; remove it.
  • Took notice to noticed (redundancy).
  • The police shut down…
  • Bust is a slang term; want to replace?
    • Are you sure? Replace with what?
      • Replaced with "raid"
  • Put a dash in Seattle based.
  • Add apostrophe in Columbia Records.
  • Remove demo in Based on The Treehouse Tapes demo.
  • Remove soon.
  • First, surprise is mistaken spelled, as in surprise, and secondly, it is POV.
  • Any link to metal radio?
    • No.
      • Metal radio is in the reference that follows - AMG Biography
  • With noted producer Dave Jerden. What?
  • Why charts? Billboard 200 is only one.
  • Remove just.
  • Follow up is follow-up.
  • Remove also.
    • What?
      • Remove the term "also".
  • Alice in Chains was nominated for its first Grammy Award in 1992 for Best Hard Rock Performance for "Man in the Box", but lost to Van Halen for their 1991 album For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge. I was counting; there are three "for" in the entire single sentence.
    • and the point is?
      • Very unpleasant.
        • What is wrong with it, it flows properly.
          • Reworded to remove a "for"
  • Following the tour… Do not worry; it will not be misleading since there was only one tour mentioned in the preceding paragraph.
    • What are you talking about?
      • Do not remention the title of the tour; thats what i mean
  • Demos for their next album…
  • But and instead. It bothers me…
    • Once again, what? Be more specific.
  • Remove new. Since they’re recording, we can presume it’s new.
  • Italicize Billboard 200. Actually I am doubtful why this is italicized; but seeing how editors formatted it in its article, we can do but follow.
    • No chart should be italicized.
      • Just Italicize "Billboard".
        • Why? I've never had to before.
  • Again, charts.
  • resulting in an explosion of Seattle based bands, and the term grunge music. What? Explosion?
  • Sap was certified gold, and features guest vocals by Ann Wilson from the band Heart, who joined Staley and Cantrell for the choruses of "Brother", "Am I Inside" and "Love Song". Sure to not split this one? Certification and Content are not related stuff.
  • Add comma after In 1992.
  • Rephrase "made an appearance in" to "appeared on" (redundancy).
  • To the film’s soundtrack.
  • Who’s video won for Best Video from a Film.
  • The song originally appeared on the soundtrack to the film Singles. This needs rephrasing.
    • Where? You skip around wat too much.
  • addiciton to addiction.
    • dido
  • has a darker feel.
  • "We did a lot of soul searching on this album. There's a lot of intense feelings" Cantrell said, "We deal with our daily demons through music. All of the poison that builds up during the day we cleanse when we play." There’s a missing punctuation.
  • Remove the apostrophe in Alice in Chains’ and change it to their.
    • In English language, a band is a single entity, there for it shoud be "it's" or "its", not "thier"
      • it is a pronoun for non-gender nouns. I am thinking Alie in Chains is an animal. =)
        • Maby, but in a entry like this you should use "its" if the band is american.
  • Definitely remove "critically acclaimed". That’s very POV; you’re getting pre-emptive. This critically acclaimed is supported in the succeeding lines. Just state their opinions and readers will now.
  • Again, Billboard charts.
    • Again, where?
      • italize it.
  • Has been certified quadruple platinum by the RIAA since its release…
  • Remove again…
  • No other reviews other than Steve Huey’s?
    • Why?
      • It would be bias. Look, to be fair, you should not stick to one reviewer only. --BritandBeyonce (talk) 12:56, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Successive use of Dirt.
  • Just state spawned in lieu of would go on to spawn.
  • Link All Music Guide.
    • It already is.
  • Alice in Chains was…
  • Left the band…
  • Redundant linking of Ozzy Ozbourne.
  • Remove new.
  • Link alternative music…
  • And was the last major tour Alice in Chains had with Staley.
  • By the way, why?
  • There’s a recurring following here…
  • Staley said the band "just wanted to go into the studio for a few days with our acoustic guitars and see what happened".[21] "We never really planned on the music we made at that time to be released" Staley said, "But the record label heard it and they really liked it. For us, it was just the experience of four guys getting together in the studio and making some music." If you want to us the whole quotation, make it as one. Remove Staley said and any words splicing the quote material.
  • Put dash in acoustic based…
  • Comma after Jar of Flies…
  • Written and recorded in one week, Jar of Flies debuted at number one on the Billboard 200, becoming the first ever EP—and first Alice in Chains release—to top the charts. What’s the relation of writing and recording to the album’s chart performance? Again, Billboard 200, and charts.
    • I think it is pretty notable, an album written and recorded in one week was the first EP(and only AIC release) to hit number one - that is a pretty big accomplishment.
  • Do you have to mention the single’s debuts? How about its highest peak position? You mean the debut was its highest claimed?
  • Again, following…
  • Link rehab and heroine.
  • Wrong spelling of addiction.
    • What is the right one?
  • Remove just…
  • Do not repeat hiatus that early…
  • Who also featured…
  • Spawned a number-two single…
  • While in the studio, an inferior version of the song "Grind" was leaked to radio, and recieved major airplay. Needs direct citation.
  • Wrong spelling of received.
    • Huh?
  • Why is 1995 not linked?
  • Comma after November 7, 1995.
  • De-link Rolling Stone and remove magazine.
  • Also in 1995, "Got Me Wrong"…
  • Also in 1995, the song "Got Me Wrong" reached number seven on the Mainstream Rock Tracks chart, three years after its release on the Sap EP. The song appeared on the soundtrack for the independent film Clerks, and was released as a single in 1995. The flow is choppy. In the first sentence speaks of chart performance while the release was mentioned after. Release should be mentioned first then chart.
    • The release is mentioned in the Facelift and Sap section.. the single unexpectedly charted three years after its release because it was included on a low budget movie that was a hit in 1995. I reworded the sentence to give it a better flow.
  • Remove also.
  • Add dash in six piece.
  • Album or a live album?
  • Again, the Billboard thing.
  • Wrong spelling received.
    • Huh?
  • Remove just.
  • And represents the unique acoustic sound Alice in Chains has created.
    • huh?
  • Add dash in 15 track…
  • Link the date; it’s a full date.
  • Another misspelling.
    • Where?
  • An autopsy on April 5, 2002 revealed…
    • The autopsy revealed that he died on April 5th.
  • Remove three and add comma after said…
  • Link south Asia.
  • Included and including.
  • Comma after March 6, 2006.
  • Link VH1.
  • And a brief tour in Japan.
  • That includes.
  • On select songs or selected songs?
  • Has begun.
  • With DuVall on lead vocals
  • Remove (1995).
  • Although Alice and Chains has…
  • Identified?
  • Use colon after in 1996 then remove the space before the inline citation.
  • Alphabetize the cited influences.
  • Link riff.
  • Link distorted.
  • Ooops. Punky is somewhat wrong spelling or non-existent word? It glares in red in the Microsoft word.
    • Used in a direct quote.
  • Wrong spelling separate.
    • Huh?
  • Add dash to self titled.
  • Alice in Chains was also noted…
  • Wrong spelling included…
    • huh??
  • Were often…
  • Wrong spelling depression.
    • Huh?
  • Dash for number one.
  • The band ranked…
  • Link MTV and remove .com

That's all. If suggestions were addressed before, crash it out. If not and been addressed, add {{tick}}. Please feel free to object. Good luck. --BritandBeyonce (talk) 08:08, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Italicize Billboard for it is a magazine. Like Billboard Hot 100. For the "for" issue, its fine.--BritandBeyonce (talk) 00:47, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I cleaned up most of that stuff, but I didn't understand what you meant by a few things, mostly spellings - can you clear up anything left? Thanks, Skeletor2112 (talk) 09:35, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh. Sorry. Just follow the flow of my suggestions and you can find what was misspelled. If it was corrected, just ignore it. SandyGeorgia has been copy-editing lately like the linking of dates and hyphens. --BritandBeyonce (talk) 10:28, 6 February 2008 (UTC)