Talk:Alfred Korzybski
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An anonymous user wrote in the article:
CORRECTION: Alfred Korzybski did NOT invent E-Prime.
E-Prime was the product of Dr. Bourland, a student and follower of Korzybski. The idea actually came from still another source, Dr. Bourland could not locate the original thinker behind it (per an article in one of the books by Bois).
W. Paul Tabaka http://Korzybski.Org
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[edit] Specific reference needed
Throughout this article, there are references to "his work". I think there is a need to state in which of his works specifically these ideas were put forth.
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[edit] Impact
Under the Impact section, the first thing mentioned is that "Korzybski's work influenced Neuro-linguistic programming especially the metamodel), ..." I don't think the NLP "association" should be the first thing listed, and I think the NLP should be in a different sentence from the cognitive interpretation pursued by Albert Ellis, and others. A distinction should be made. Dan 22:32, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Criticisms
I took out the following paragraph, as there is already in this section a lot of material about Chomsky's criticisms, and it seemed to be talking too much about Chomsky's philosophy rather than his criticism of Korzybski:
Chomsky, an anarchist, has also said that the greatest distorters of our perception are concentrations of power, because power centers (e.g. states, corporations) have the means to propagate their point of view and influence our perception of reality, much more than simply not using the verb "to be".
The paragraph also draws a somewhat false dichotomy between (1) "concentrations of power" distorting our perceptions, and (2) not using the verb "to be". There is no evidence that Korzybski would not agree that "concentrations of power" can distort our perceptions, and he never advocated not using the verb "to be". A student of Korzybski's, David Bourland, floated that idea 15 years after Korzybski died. [JDF, April 29, 2006]
Where are the Chomsky quotes from? --AlmostC 20:47, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
AlmostC added this to the article: [Warning: none of the Chomsky quotes below are accompanied by citations. The only quotes below I could find were from an interview with David Cohen, the subject of which seemed to be Skinner, not Korzybski.] Now, an anonymous poster added these "quotes" to several articles. So far nobody has responded to requests for citations and arguments against including this material. (Except with the link to wikiquote, which itself lacks any citation for the alleged Korzybski quote.) Barring some response or argument, I plan to replace this entire section with a link to the criticism section of general semantics (which contains additional material). Then we can decide what to include in that section. If we then decide to copy part or all of the criticism section to other articles, we can do this easily. Or if someone actually decides to argue that some critique belongs at the Korzybski article but not at general semantics, they can go ahead and include it here while we argue at the other talk page. Dan 22:18, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
I have added a health warning to the general semantics page as well, in the hope that someone will add a citation or delete the reference.--AlmostC 18:00, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
I was just wondering if the following statement would be too opinionated to include in the article (perhaps after the biscuits story, which is just one in a series of such examples). Korzybski enjoyed making impromptu and unwilling human test subjects out of his students, in order to prove his academic points by forceful, material means.--Propriate 10 June 2007
