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[edit] G'day?

There's something intimidating about your talk page with all this stuff above? I do hope this is your talk page cant see no pointers? You and I both jumped on the 60.... etc person putting ad links on fremantle, I in turn had tried one of the local admins to have a look and I had sent test1 and test2, so it'll be a bit of overkill perhaps. ohwell g'day and I'll get outw your way. vcxlor 08:42, 14 December 2005 (UTC) Methinks this jerk is a paid "placement" ploything, you good at blocking? I thought one of me admin mates was online but e's silent. I reckon this ignoring our comments deserves the old .303 between the cursors!!vcxlor 09:21, 14 December 2005 (UTC) I think your last one did it, but they're as obvious as anything - vcxlor 09:31, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Thanks for reverting the recently vandalised Arncliffe article. I noticed that you hadn't quite gone back far enough in the page history so I just fixed that up. Cheers and keep up the great work! --Alexxx1 06:19, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Oops, me bad. I'll make a point of checking the page history more carefully in future... Dan100 (Talk) 08:36, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Help with Five Dock

Hi Alexxx1, I really like what you're doing with Five Dock, and the other suburbs of the inner west! I last read Five Dock around 3 months ago, but it's been updated and expanded so much that I really need to read again :-) For the "edit" tags appearing in the Notable Citizens section, I think that they are due to the photos from the landmarks section above it "pushing" the edit tags down the page, until they break out in a bunch in the wrong section (basically IMHO the way images are handled by the Wikipedia is not ideal, and if there are lots of them close together along the side of the page, I've found it tends to cause flow issues like this). The usual fix for this is to add a <br clear="all" /> tag, which causes the flow to reset itself. However, the downside is that it can cause there to be extra blank lines or blank areas, so it's a bit of case of trial and error to get the best compromise. See what you think of it now, and indeed whether it has even fixed the problem. I'm guessing that you're on maybe 1024x768 resolution, or thereabouts - the way images get placed will vary a bit depending on what resolution you're using, so see if the current layout works for you (and of course revert it if it doesn't). Hope this helps! -- All the best, Nickj (t) 01:30, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] An Esperanzial note

As I remember, the last spam that was handed out was on the 20th of December last year, so I think it's time for another update. First and foremost, the new Advisory Council and Administrator General have been elected. They consist of myself as Admin General and FireFox, Titoxd, Flcelloguy and Karmafist as the Advisory Council. We as a group met formally for the first time on the 31st of Decembe. The minutes of this meeting can be found at WP:ESP/ACM. The next one is planned for tonight (Sunday 29 January) at 20:30 UTC and the agenda can be found at WP:ESP/ACM2.

In other news, Karmafist has set up a discussion about a new personal attack policy, which it can be found here. Other new pages include an introductory page on what to do when you sign up, So you've joined Esperanza... and a welcome template: {{EA-welcome}} (courtesy of Bratsche). Some of our old hands may like to make sure they do everything on the list as well ;) Additionally, the userpage award program proposal has become official is operational: see Wikipedia:Esperanza/User Page Award to nominate a userpage or volunteer as a judge. Also see the proposed programs page for many new proposals and old ones that need more discussion ;)

Other than that, I hope you all had a lovely Christmas and wish you an Esperanzially good new WikiYear :D Thank you! --Celestianpower ^háblame 16:57, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Another Esperanzial note...

Hi again Esperanzians! Well, since our last frolic in the realms of news, the Advisory Council has met twice more (see WP:ESP/ACM2 and WP:ESP/ACM3). As a result, the charter has been ammended twice (see here for details) and all of the shortcuts have been standardised (see the summary for more details). Also of note is the Valentines ball that will take place in the Esperanza IRC channel on the 14th of February (tomorrow). It will start at 6pm UTC and go on until everyone's had enough! I hope to see you all there! Also, the spamlist has been dissolved - all Esperanzians will now recieve this update "newsletter".

The other major notice I need to tell you about is the upcoming Esperanza Advisory Council Elections. These will take place from 12:00 UTC on February 20th to 11:59 UTC on February 27th. The official handing-over will take place the following day. Candidates are able to volunteer any time before the 20th, so long as they are already listed on the members list. Anyone currently listed on the memberlist can vote. In a change since last time, if you have already been a member of the leadership, you may run again. Due to the neutrality precident, I will not vote for anyone.

Yours, as ever, Esperanzially,
--Celestianpower ^háblame 09:00, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #1

Reach out Reach out is a program aimed at allowing users to bring issues that they have had in Wikipedia to a listening, sympathetic and caring audience: "No one can know how we feel if we do not say. We cannot expect to get understanding if we do not ask for it. No one will dispute that sometimes life's issues are too much for one person. It is fair to say that sometimes Wikipedia's problems fall under the same heading. This is a place where you can bring the bruises that can sometimes be got on this project for attention." Stress Alerts The Stress alerts program aims at identifying users who are stressed, alerting the community of thier stress and works in tandem with the Stressbusters at trying to identify causes of stress and eliminating them. Note from the editor Welcome to this new format of the Esperanza Newsletter, which came about during the last Advisory Council meeting - we hope you like it! The major changes are that each month, right after the Council meeting, this will be sent out and will include two featured programs and a sum up of the meeting. Also, it will be signed by all of the Advisory Council members, not just Celestianpower. Have an Esperanzial end of March, everyone!

The last AC meeting (full log) Future meetings are to be held monthly, not fortnightly as before. Bans and Access level changes (apart from autovoice) in the IRC channel are to be reported at the new log. In the IRC channel, there is going to be only one bot at a time. The charter requires members to have 150 edits and 2 weeks editing. Why this is the case will be clarified. A new Code of Conduct will be drafted by JoanneB and proposed to the Esperanza community. The NPA reform idea is to be dropped officially. Charter ammendments are to be discussed in future, not voted on. The Advisory Council is not going to be proposed to be expanded by the Advisory Council themselves, if others want to propose it, they will listen. Signed... Celestianpower, JoanneB, Titoxd, KnowledgeOfSelf and FireFox 17:47, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Point regarding your comments on the Dec 2005 Cronulla Riots

In the discussion page of this article you make the following comment:

"Here is one example. At roughly the same time as the media was in uproar about gang rapes being committed by people of Middle Eastern origin (from memory, about 2-3 years ago), there was a particularly horrific rape that took place in Newington. However, this did not attract anywhere close to the same level of media attention, days of front-page headlines and inflammatory radio talkback as other similar crimes. I can only conclude that this was because the perpetrators happened to be white."

I have a few comments to make regarding this:

1. 1 The ring leader of the Newington home-invasion / rape was Aboriginal.
2. 2 Gang rapes involving white offenders have received media coverage proportional to the Skaf gang rapes; the rape-murders of Anita Cobby, Jenine Balding and Leigh Leigh are case in points.
3. 3 I suspect (with good reason) that the reason the Newington crime did not receive the same level of media coverage was that the ring leader still had to face a number of trials for other crimes and therefore the media might have been subject to suppression orders.

Adopting a stance that a particular racial group receives special "treatment" by the media is no different to the redneck who generalises that all Muslims are terrorists. Generalisations based on race are always easy to defeat.

previous unsigned comment by Tdw77 23:11, 30 March 2006

[edit] Reply

Thanks for your comments on my talk page. I appreciate what you're saying although I believe we have different perspectives on this issue. I made these arguments in response to people who were basically trying to blame the Cronulla race riots on public anger over rapes committed by Middle Eastern men.

I think (I hope anyway) that if you look at my words carefully, you'll see that I wasn't actually making a generalisation based on race. I was making a generalisation about the way the media deals with race.

This is not splitting hairs. It's a crucial distinction. The media is not a mirror that reflects the world back to us. The media contains a great deal of bias. For example, when people talk about a newspaper being right-wing or left-wing, they are acknowledging an inherent bias, based on their observations or studies of the way they frame issues, report on particular topics, use images and captions and so forth. So why is so difficult to believe that it's at least possible that the media could also be racially biased, just as it is sometimes politically biased?

I don't want to get really bogged down in arguments over the rapes in Newington. But I've got a few points in relation to the 3 points that you made -

1. Thanks for informing me that the ringleader was an indigenous Australian and correcting that inaccuracy. I wasn't aware of that and it is an interesting fact. However, in correcting me, you seem to missing my actual point - that the Newington case did not involve middle eastern men.

2. Now, I don't want to sound too critical but I'm really not sure why you're comparing the coverage of rape with the coverage of combined rape and murder. This only supports the point I was trying to make. If you're making the claim that my observations about the media are incorrect, you should find cases involving the same crime, not far more serious crimes.

3. I'm not so sure! And I'm not convinced the many others who made the same observations are wrong, as this quote shows,

"A couple of weeks ago there was a home rape in Newington but they [the media] didn't mention their religion and ethnicity but only bring it up when they were Lebanese or Muslim. In this case the race card wasn't used." -Comments from Consultations with NSW secondary students at three government schools, Sydney, August 2003 - See HREOC website

As I said, we probably don't agree about some of these things but I hope that clarifies my position for you.

--Alexxx1 ^{(talk/contribs)} 08:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #2

Barnstar Brigade The Barnstar Brigade is a new program aimed at giving more very deserving yet unappreciated users barnstars. It will officially start on 2006-04-09, but signing up is encouraged before this date: "Here in Wikipedia, there are hundreds of wikipedians whose work and efforts go un-appreciated. One occasionally comes across editors who have thousands of good edits, but because they may not get around as much as others, their contributions and hard work often go un-noticed. Sadly, these editors often leave the project. As Esperanzians, we can help to make people feel appreciated, be it by some kind words or the awarding of a Barnstar. A project the size of Wikipedia has thousands of editors, so there are plenty of people out there who deserve recognition, one just has to find them. The object of this program is not to flood editors with Barnstars, but to seek out people who deserve them, and make them feel appreciated." Stress Alerts The Stress alerts program aims at identifying users who are stressed, alerting the community of thier stress and works in tandem with the Stressbusters at trying to identify causes of stress and eliminating them. Information Welcome to the second issue of the new format Esperanza Newsletter - we hope you still like it! This week, it was delivered diligently by our new dogsbody. MiszaBot (run by Misza13): any execution complaints should go to him. Content comments should be directed at the Esperanza talkpage. Thanks!

The last AC meeting (full log) The next elections: Approval voting as before and, also as before, an previous leadership member can run. Please submit your name for voting in the relevant section of this page. Voting starts on 2006-04-23 and ends on 2006-04-30. There will be three places up for grabs as KnowledgeOfSelf is leaving Wikipedia. Please see the previously linked page for full details. The Code of Conduct is now ready for extensive discussion! Specific comments should go to the Code of Conduct talk page, discussion of having one at all should be directed to the main Esperanza talk page. The current process for accepting proposals for new programs has been deemed fine. All Advisory Council members and the Admin Gen are to endevour to be bold when viewing discussion. If they feel that consensus has been reached, they will act accordingly. A plea from the editor... The propsed programs page is terribly underused! Please leave any comments, good or bad, on the page, to help us determine the membership's thoughts on the ideas there. Signed... Celestianpower, JoanneB, Titoxd, KnowledgeOfSelf and FireFox 19:53, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Guard

Cheers for that, I just wasn't sure whether someone was just using the article to rip on an legitimate organisation or whether they were actually some fascist loonies. Nice work on the Sydney geo articles! michael ^talk 15:16, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

no worries! --Alexxx1 ^{(talk/contribs)} 06:23, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Australian Fair Pay and Conditions Standard

Congratulations on a fair-sized and NPOV article. Andjam 07:54, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Old Skool Esperanzial note

Since this isn't the result of an AC meeting, I have decided to go Old Skool. This note is to remind you that the elections are taking place now and will end at 23:50 UTC on 2006-04-29. Please vote here. Thanks. --Celestianpower ^háblame 20:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #3

Administrator Coaching The Administrator Coaching program is a program aimed at preparing Wikipedians for Adminship or helping them understand the intricacies of Wikipedia better. Recently, changes have been made to the requirements of coachees. Please review them before requesting this service. This would be something like the Welcoming Committee, but for people who have figured out the basics of editing articles; they're not newcomers any more, but they might want some help in learning new roles. Some might like suggestions about how to learn vandal patrol, or mentoring on taking an article to featured status, or guidance with a proposal they plan to make at the Village Pump, for example. In this way, Esperanza would help keep hope alive for Wikipedia because we would always be grooming the next generation of admins. Stressbusters The Stressbusters are a subset of Esperanza aiming to investigate the causes of stress. New eyes on the situation are always welcome! Note from the editor As always, MiszaBot handled this delivery. Thank you! Also, congratulations go to Pschemp, Titoxd and Freakofnurture for being elected in the last elections! An Esperanzial May to all of the readership!

The last AC meeting (full log) Posting logs of the Esperanza IRC channel are explicitly banned anywhere. Violation of this rule results in deletion and a ban from the channel. A disclaimer is going to be added to the Esperanza main page. We are humans and, as such, are imperfect. Various revisions have been made to the Code of Conduct. Please see them, as the proposal is ready to be ratified by the community and enacted. All members will members to have to re-confirm their membership after accepting the Code of Conduct. Referendums are to be held on whether terms of AC members should be lengthened and whether we should abolish votes full stop. Admin Coaching reform is agreed upon. Signed... Celestianpower, JoanneB, Titoxd, Pschemp and Freakofnurture 20:29, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A short Esperanzial update

As you may have gathered, discussions have been raging for about a week on the Esperanza talk page as to the future direction of Esperanza. Some of these are still ongoing and warrant more input (such as the idea to scrap the members list altogether). However, some decisions have been made and the charter has hence been amended. See what happened. Basically, the whole leadership has had a reshuffle, so please review the new, improved charter.

As a result, we are electing 4 people this month. They will replace JoanneB and Pschemp and form a new tranche A, serving until December. Elections will begin on 2006-07-02 and last until 2006-07-09. If you wish to run for a Council position, add your name to the list before 2006-07-02. For more details, see Wikipedia:Esperanza/June 2006 elections.

Thanks and kind, Esperanzial regards, —Celestianpower ^háblame 16:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] August Esperanza Newsletter

Program Feature: To-Do List The Esperanza To-Do List is a place where you may list any request, big or small, for assistance. If you need help with archiving your usertalk, for example, all you need to do is list it here and somebody will help you out. Likewise, if you need help with some area of editing on Wikipedia, list it here! Again, any matter, trivial or not, can be placed on this page. However, all matters listed on this page must not be of an argumentative nature. You do not need to be a member of Esperanza (or this program) to place or fulfill requests on this page. If you don't have any requests, consider coming by and fulfilling a few! This program has not been very active, but has lots of potential! What's New? In order to help proposed programs become specific enough to make into full-fledged programs, the In development section of the proposals page has been created. Proposals that are promising, but need to be organized in more detail are listed here. Please take a look at what is there, and help the proposals turn into programs. To improve both the layout and text of the front page, in an attempt to clarify the image of Esperanza, the front page is going to have some redesigning take place. Please take your creative minds to Wikipedia:Esperanza/Front page redesign to brainstorm good ideas. Many thanks to MiszaBot, courtesy of Misza13, for delivering the newsletter.

The last AC meeting (full log) In order to make sure all users who join Esperanza are welcomed, a list of volunteers who are willing to welcome new Esperanzians is at Wikipedia:Esperanza/Members#Esperanza_welcomers. Please add yourself if you are interested; we want to make sure all new Esperanza members are welcomed! The In development section of the proposals page has been created. Proposals page: Some proposals have been moved to the aforementioned "In development" section, some have been left as a proposal, and others have been archived. For those proposals that were a good idea but didn't necessarily constitute a program, General Esperanzial Actions has been created. Two small pieces of charter reform will be decided on in a straw poll at Wikipedia talk:Esperanza/Governance. One involves filling the position of any councillors who may leave, the other involves reforming the charter. Until cooperation with the Kindness Campaign is better defined, it remains as a proposed program. There is a page for discussing the front page redesign. Signed... Natalya, Banes, Celestianpower, EWS23, FireFox, Freakofnurture, and Titoxd 05:03, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Undeletion of Sydney Bus Route article

Hi Alexxx1, you recently contributed to the deletion review about the Sydney bus routes. We're requesting an undeletion here and I'd appreciate your help in getting this decision overturned. I don't think there was a consensus on deletion. (JROBBO 06:11, 16 August 2006 (UTC))

Hi Alexxx1 again - the article still got deletion endorsed, even though we had a clear consensus this time. Can you please vote at the new deletion review (listed under August 21) and make sure you include the word Overturn as a vote. (JROBBO 04:48, 21 August 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Lower North Shore (Sydney)

Hi Alex. Do you have references for what is in the Lower and Upper North Shore and what is not? --WikiCats 09:10, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Since Lower North Shore is an informal term I doubt that there are any references. --WikiCats 09:38, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] September Esperanza Newsletter

Program Feature: Barnstar Brigade Here in Wikipedia there are hundreds of wikipedians whose work and efforts go unappreciated. One occasionally comes across editors who have thousands of good edits, but because they may not get around as much as others, their contributions and hard work often go unnoticed. As Esperanzians we can help to make people feel appreciated, be it by some kind words or the awarding of a Barnstar. This is where the Barnstar Brigade comes in. The object of this program is to seek out the people which deserve a Barnstar, and help them feel appreciated. With your help, we can recognize more dedicated editors! What's New? September elections are upon us! Anyone wishing to be a part of the Advisory Council may list themselves as a candidate from 18 September until 24 September, with the voting taking place from 25 September to 30 September. Those who wish to help with the election staff should also list themselves! Appreciation Week, a program currently in development, now has its own subpage! Share your good ideas on how to make it awesome there! The Esperanza front page has been redesigned! Many thanks to all who worked hard on it. Many thanks to MiszaBot, courtesy of Misza13, for delivering the newsletter.

The last AC meeting (full log) The proposals page has been updated, with some proposals being archived. Since the program in development Appretiaion week is getting lots of good ideas, it now has its own subpage. The September 2006 Council elections will open for nominations on 18 September 2006. The voting will run from 25 September 2006 until 30 September 2006. If you wish to be a candidate or a member of the elections staff, please list yourself! The new Esperanza front page design has but put up - many thanks to all who worked on it! TangoTango has written a script for a bot that will list new members of Esperanza, which will help those who welcome new Esperanzains greatly! Signed... Natalya, Banes, Celestianpower, EWS23, FireFox, Freakofnurture, and Titoxd 04:04, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] November Esperanza Newsletter

Program Feature: Admin Coaching (needs coaches!) Admin Coaching needs coaches!!! If you are an administrator, or even a generally experienced user, do consider signing up to be a coach. Admin Coaching, now being coordinated by HighwayCello, is a program for people who want help learning some of the more subtle aspects of Wikipedia policy and culture. People are matched with experienced users who are willing to offer coaching. The program is designed for people who have figured out the basics of editing articles; they're not newcomers any more, but they might want some help in learning new roles. In this way, Esperanza would help keep hope alive for Wikipedia because we would always be grooming the next generation of admins. What's New? The Tutorial Drive is a new Esperanza program! In an effort to make complicated processes on Wikipedia easier for everyone, Esperanza working to create and compile a list of tutorials about processes here on Wikipedia. Consider writing one! A discussion on how Esperanza relates to the encyclopedia has been started; please add your thoughts. Many thanks to MiszaBot, courtesy of Misza13, for delivering the newsletter.

The last AC meeting (full log) The list of proposed programs has been updated, with some proposals being archived. There is now a new program: the Tutorial Drive! Consider writing a tutorial on something you are good at doing on Wikipedia. The suggestion of adding a cohesive look to all the Esperanza pages is being considered; join the discussion if you are interested! In order to make a useful interlanguage welcome template, those involved in translation projects will be asked what English Wikipedia policies are most important and confusing to editors coming from other language Wikipedias. A discussion of Esperanza's role in Wikipedia is being held, with all thoughts of all Esperanzians wanted! Shreshth91 informed everyone that he will be leaving the Esperanza council as life is rather busy; his spot will be filled by the runner up from the last election, HighwayCello. Signed... Natalya, Banes, Celestianpower, EWS23, FireFox, The Halo, Shreshth91 and HighwayCello 20:33, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Reliable Sources

Hi I noticed you made some edits at The Westfield Group. Company press releases are not the best source for material regarding that company - secondary sources are much more preferred. Whilst they may often be the same thing, the press release will hopefully be checked a little bit before being actually publised - so if you can find alternate references for the same information that would be fantastic.

I will be periodically removing primary references from the Westfield Group article - if the information presented is in fact notable I should be able to easily find an alternate source.Garrie 01:32, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Year

[edit] Jimbo is coming to Sydney

Sorry to spam you if you aren't interested. See Wikipedia:Meetup/Sydney#April 25th for more info if you are interested. - Ta bu shi da yu 08:15, 10 April 2007 (UTC)