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Contents 1 Image:Simon Rattle.png 2 Porgy and Bess 3 Random comments by anons 4 Porgy and Bess 5 Porgy and Bess 6 Porgy and Bess 7 Rach 2 citation 8 Der Ring des Nibelungen 9 Wagner's autobiog 10 Ride of the Valkyries - Birth of a Nation 11 Replaceable fair use Image:Placido_Domingo_Don_Jose.jpg 12 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:PorgyAndBess Extract 1.PNG 13 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:PorgyAndBess Extract 1.ogg 14 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:PorgyAndBess Extract 2.PNG 15 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:PorgyAndBess Extract 2.ogg 16 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:PorgyAndBess Extract 3.PNG 17 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:PorgyAndBess Extract 3.ogg 18 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:PorgyAndBess Extract 4.ogg 19 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:PorgyAndBess Extract 5.PNG 20 Image copyright problem with Image:PorgyAndBess Extract 1.PNG 21 Image copyright problem with Image:PorgyAndBess Extract 2.PNG 22 Image copyright problem with Image:PorgyAndBess Extract 3.PNG 23 Image copyright problem with Image:PorgyAndBess Extract 1.ogg 24 Fair use rationale for Image:PorgyAndBess Extract 2.ogg 25 Image copyright problem with Image:PorgyAndBess Extract 3.ogg 26 Image copyright problem with Image:PorgyAndBess Extract 4.ogg 27 Image copyright problem with Image:PorgyAndBess Extract 5.PNG 28 Fair use rationale for Image:Act IV from Carmen.png 29 Orphaned non-free media (Image:PorgyAndBess Extract 1.PNG) 30 Orphaned non-free media (Image:PorgyAndBess Extract 2.PNG) 31 Orphaned non-free media (Image:PorgyAndBess Extract 1.ogg) 32 Orphaned non-free media (Image:PorgyAndBess Extract 3.ogg) 33 Orphaned non-free media (Image:PorgyAndBess Extract 3.PNG) 34 Orphaned non-free media (Image:PorgyAndBess Extract 4.ogg) 35 Orphaned non-free media (Image:PorgyAndBess Extract 5.PNG)

[edit] Image:Simon Rattle.png

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[edit] Porgy and Bess

[edit] Random comments by anons

I am not sure how to contact you through wiki so i will like this.. One of the great things about wiki is the depth and breadth of the knowledge to be found, while i willingly concede my first entry on porgy and bess contained superfluous and maybe even sycophantic, the latest contribution is a totally unbiased account of a very important chapter in the history of Porgy and Bess. As you know an encyclopedia contains comprehensive information on various subjects. I cant understand why wiki users shouldn't have a good deal of information this chapter in the life of porgy and bess and the gershwin estate. This is the first time ever that the gershwin estate have allowed such changes to be made on stage.. It is a Worlds Premiere of Porgy in a new form directed by one of the worlds most successful musical theatre directors. I am not opening up a soap box discussion on the merits and the flaws of the transition, merely documenting the bones of the process and the main players involved. Wiki users will not lose but only gain from this added information. I am very sure that the gershwins would not consider this information to be superfluous or this production to be just another in a line of porgy prodictions..Please consider.

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[edit] Porgy and Bess

I have seen you have made changes again, i would appreciate you explaining to me why one line 'would be enough' and 2 paragraphs too much? you obviously have much more wiki experience than me and your understanding would help me. This is the biggest thing to happen to porgy for decades, there are 4 other 'subsequent productions' mentioned each with an average of 2 paragraphs written about them. What qualifies these as being worthy of 2 paragraphs.. is it because they are of american origin? Why is his production less interesting than Crawfords revival? .. Also, because the production is currently running you can imagine why wiki users would want their encyclopedia to have more information on this production. Please contact me so i can understand better. I imagine you also want what is best and are confident enough that an independent assessment would rule on what is best for wiki,

[edit] Porgy and Bess

Hi, I appreciate your response but i feel that you have not dealt with the major points of my argument, notably that this is a 'world premiere' successful or no, the fact that the actual Gershwin estate have warranted such a title and such changes is enough in my opinion to note who is involved and the bones of the process. Secondly what do wiki users lose from this additional factual information? Surely the point of wiki is to give people a depth and breadth of knowledge, is this trivia? No, it is an exciting (and at least interesting) part of Porgy's progression.. Is it soap box or some polemic view point? No, nothing written can be disputed.. I am unsure under what wiki guidelines you feel it is necessary to press this point of deleting a couple of lines of intresting information. Surely it is not so important that this information is not available . Please address these 3 issues.

1- Merit of paragraphs- This is a world premiere sanctioned by gershwin estate 2- What do we lose out on by having this factual information 3- What wiki guideline is so explicitly contravened which warrants this kind of attention to 2 paragraphs of undisputed fact?

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[edit] Porgy and Bess

Alex, i understand your points although your response i feel doesn't really deal with the three issues i brought up, nowhere have you acknowledged the relevance of this production being a world premiere, that this is (biggest or not) a FIRST for porgy.. and you have also not addressed the second point with fairness. With all due respect, who are you to decide that the extra 20 words should be cut. It's 20 words alex not of trivia but of factual information. 20 words isn't that much ( even when put into the context of the article.) I think - with respect-you should take a step back and remember that there are varied views and perhaps you should restrict your editorial decisions to the indisputable or the obvious. Like I've said I appreciate your stepping in and helping the paragraph from being biased, but this issue is a subjective one and I urge you to be humble enough to allow these lines of indisputable fact and (perhaps) questionable interest into wikipedia. Give the benefit of the doubt. Allow for the fact that you are not executive editor but rather someone who has a great deal of knowledge and experience with wiki who thankfully puts in the time and effort to help steer wiki in the right direction- not squabble over points such as these. Ie 20 extra words is far too much to talk about a production which is a world premiere, a first for the West End etc. I would like to enter my revised paragraph again ie the one without bias but with the added information, will you object to this?

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[edit] Rach 2 citation

Thought I'd let you know that I reverted your {{fact}} tag on the Rach 2 page. The rhythm of the ending is (obviously) in the score, so that's as much citation as should be required. Cheers, theProject 06:13, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Der Ring des Nibelungen

Hello, regarding my edit which you removed, there was a good deal more to the episode than merely background music. If I remember correctly, much of the plot was closer to the Ring cycle than shown in the short description. I haven't seen the episode recently, so I am not going to force the issue and start an edit war. I just want you to know that I did not include the episode for purely superficial reasons. --Kyoko 11:50, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I understand, from that point of view. I'm passably familiar with the Ring cycle through the Solti recording but have not read the Nibelungenlied. In terms of cultural impact, the cartoon episode is less significant than your examples. That's fine. --Kyoko 10:51, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wagner's autobiog

Hi! You say that Wagner's autobiog Mein Leben was published in 1850 (according to your latest edits to Richard Wagner. But I always thought this had been written for Ludwig and dictated to Cosima, which suggests that it couldn't have been written before 1865. Are you sure that you're not confusing Mein Leben with the Brown Book?--Dogbertd 15:45, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Having had a look at the afterword in the Gray translation it seems that Mein Leben was privately published for Ludwig and a few others in the 1870-1880s, published and translated into English "anonymously" in 1911 and it appears that the first complete public German publication was in 1963 (I'm remembering these dates BTW, as I don't have the book in front of me, but the timespans are right). So I don't know what date one would really use for publication. Maybe easiest simply to remove the date altogether. --Dogbertd 09:21, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I have checked references and corrected text, which see.--Smerus 12:57, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ride of the Valkyries - Birth of a Nation

Hi...maybe I should reword the sentence "pinnacle of Aryan music", but it's a fact that Griffith used it in the climax of his racist opus, when the heros are defending their "Aryan birthright". He sure was dead serious about it, never thinking that it was a "fun piece", hoping that that audience would start to laugh. It's certainly safe to say that Griffith and other people involved in the movie thought that Ride of the Valkyries was a great Aryan battle song.Evenfiel 21:59, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi,

You say "it is certainly safe to say", but this is just your opinion. You have no evidence even to prove that Griffith specifically asked Breil to include this particular piece - When a song is included in a movie, it's because the director wanted to use it or at least that he had no objections against it. I have no idea how that could be considered WP:OR. I believe that you need a source to say to refute such an affirmation.Evenfiel 00:12, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I would also like to add that an artist is ultimately responsible for his work, just like a writer is responsible for the opinions presented in his book.Evenfiel 01:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I'll reword it soon then.Evenfiel 15:59, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

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If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 12:13, 4 May 2008 (UTC)