User talk:Alexbonaro

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[edit] Organized Crime

Regarding the organized crime articles you created, many of them were listed for deletion since each page had little or no content. May I recommend merging them all together in a "Important dates in organized crime" article? If you have any questions or comments, please post on my talk page. Thanks! — TheKMan^talk 16:49, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Jack Carroll (criminal)

Some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Jack Carroll (criminal) may not be sufficiently well-known to merit articles of their own. The Wikipedia community welcomes newcomers, and encourages them to become Wikipedians. On Wikipedia, all users are entitled to a user page in which they can describe themselves, and this article's content may be incorporated into that page. However, to merit inclusion in the encyclopedia proper, a subject must be notable. We encourage you to write or improve articles on notable subjects. -- Longhair 22:55, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi User:Longhai is on a wikibreak. I have created a user page for you at User:Alexbonaro/Jack Carroll as per your request to User:Longhair--A Y Arktos\^talk 07:27, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vanity

Is this page vanity or not: Mikhail Lebedev --GoOdCoNtEnT 08:03, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] LA crime family

Mr. Bonaro,

I recently rewrote the Los Angeles Mafia and I was curious what your opinion was on the subject. Unfortunatly, I don't have as many up to date resources as I'd like although I was able to reformat the page a bit. I'd certainly appreciate any help you could offer. MadMax 10:12, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I know very little about the Los Angeles Mafia. I have charts on the current hierarchy/constituancy of the LA family (see: LA Chart and Information) and I have a small chart of the LA family hierarchy during 1984 (see: 1984 LA crime family hierarchy). I keep these charts, which people submit to online mafia forums, for cross referencing and future use. Despite their flaws of layout, biased opinions and that they are hard to understand, the core information in them is pretty solid. Give me one week and i shall have you information to work with (hopefully including: timeline, current day situation, indictments/convictions, members, etc. etc.) Hopefully we'll be able to make this article fuller than it is now.

Correspond with you soon,

--Alexbonaro 05:25, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank You!!!

Alex, I posted my question under the wrong section. I would like to know who supplied the information that Fred Vacco was a soldier in the LA Family circa 1954. I can't find any information on him anywhere else. Who actually created the chart and is there a way to contact them to find out the source for placing Fred Vacco as a soldier on the chart? Thanks!! Mafia Rose 05:14, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Alex, I don't know how you do it, but your rundown of organized crime in St. Louis is absolutely unbelievable. Many thanks.

Do you have any info on what's left of the Syrian-Lebanese faction in St. Louis? Sincerely, Jim Palmer PalmBey@sbcglobal.net

Mr. Palmer,

you shouldn't be thanking me. Any and all of the charts on my user page were created by others. I merely use them for cross referencing my work. I'm guessing you read the following charts:

Present Day St. Louis crime family
St. Louis crime family circa 1965
St. Louis crime family circa 1990

As you can see on my User Page I attributed the last two to Salviardi, a poster on the RealDeal forum, the first one is unatributed only because I forgot to do so at the time and can't remember who posted it. As for the Syrian-Lebanese faction, i can surely find out for you or you can join the forum where I get my information. It is called RealDeal and it is entirely about discussion on Organized Crime, specifically the American Mafia. It is far far more active than the AmericanMafia.com forum and also the hollywoodmafia.com forum. Here is the URL: http://realdeal-forum.com/forum/index.php?sid=8daa2bf3bfd6020e2714dec049e0d58f Message me back... if you do not want to join then I will happily get you the information I can find another way. --Alexbonaro 23:56, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DeCavalcante

look at article, type mimmo marzullo in google, michael ferrante, keith cimera

what's your point. Are you wondering why Ferrante isn't on the chart? The only article in which they were both mentioned, which is what i assume you were referring to, was from 2003. Regards, Alexbonaro 11:39, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

ALEX who is ferrante and cimera, and are they part of the decavalcante family???????????

[edit] Succession of Chicago Oufit Crews

Dear Alex,

Let me start off by saying that I've obtained alot of information from your Family charts such as Rochester, St. Louis, Pittsburgh and Los Angeles, keep up the good work. Oh ya, it was great to finally find some one who knew that when it came to the Rochester Family, Rene Piccarreto was Frank Valenti's Underboss and Sam Russotti was his Consigliere. You know as well as I do that when it comes to the Chicago Outfit Area Bosses, Street Bosses, Capos, Lt.'s, soldiers or what ever, it's always easy to get mixed up, well I have anyways. I've never really concentrated on Chicago, I'm more of an East coast follower, but I haven't neglected the Outfit, so I need some help with some info.

I'm just gonna hit on a few points, then you can respond if you want to. Lets start with Anthony Zizzo, first off my research now has law enforcement mislabeling him as Underboss, since the "Family Secrets Case" revealed DiFronzo as Boss, Marcello as Underboss and Lombardo as Consigliere, which in Chicago might mean Boss, who knows? Zizzo was a Lt. under Sam Carlisi on the Southside, Chinatown/26th St. Crew, but I also find information that he's part of the Westside, Cicero/Melrose Park Crew, which one is it? Now I know for a fact the first Boss of the Chinatown crew was Bruno Roti until his death in 1957, then Frank "Skids" Caruso Sr. tookover.

Also you call James "Jimmy the Bomber" Catuara, Cantura, but I fixed that for you. Now I find Vincent Solano as Boss of the Rush St. Crew/Northside crew as well until he died in 1992, but you have Joe "The Builder" Andriacchi as his successor. I know Andriacchi became Northside Area Boss in 1992, but he was Street Boss of Jackie Cerone's Elmwood Park Crew with John DiFronzo when Cerone went to jail in 1986, so was Andriacchi under Solano or Cerone and DiFronzo before 1992. On that dam IPSN, labor shit website they have an article on John "Johnny Apes" Monteleone that states Mark D'Amico was the Rush St. Crew Boss until 1994 when he was jailed, I think you've got him under the Cicero Crew, I can't remember, but what do you say? Check out the article - http://www.ipsn.org/apes.html

I recently read that the Chicago heights crew was made part of the Chinatown/26th St. Crew to form the Southside Crew in 1990 when Albert "Caesar" Tocco was jailed, not in 1994, which is it, do you know? By the way I don't think you mention the Rush St. or 26th St. Crews, but anyway if you really wanna get mixed up check out these blogs and get back to me, you'll see alot to debate about!

Make sure you scroll down the whole page because there's info on the Chicago crews on the one and it's kinda long, but the other one lists the successions like you, check them out and see what you think!

Go to: http://truecrimemafia.blogspot.com/2006/10/chicago-mob-street-crews-what-was.html then check out: http://thechicagomafia.blogspot.com Before I forget check this one out, this one even mentions the Taylor St./Little Italy Crew http://samreaves.com/sr_outfit.php

Let me know what you think, and get back to me if you can. If you want use - rjrios100@yahoo.ca, I'll get it.

Little Joe Shots

Little Joe, I did not create the chart and honestly I know very little about anything in it. It was posted here so that other researchers on Wikipedia can use it as a reference. However, your questions were important and so ofcourse I had them answered by the creator and also by the author of the webpages you linked to, respectively known to me as Pogo the Clown and Little Al.

Here is the answers:

Pogo the Clown said:

"Joe "The Builder" Andriacchi took over for Solanos North Side Crew. The Elmwood Park Area/Crew was really under the North Side Crew according to those Fed Charts of the 80s. So anybody who was in the Elmwood Park Crew would be considered part in the overall North Side Crew.

I have never seen Tony Zizzo listed as part of the West Side Crew. Everything I have on him has him as being part of the South Side.

As far as the Chicago Hieghts Crew goes, it was not merged with the Chinaton Crew until about 1993/94, not 1990 as stated. Remember Jimmy LaPietra remained his own Crew Boss of the Chinatown Crew until his death in 1993. So it woul have had to have been merged after his death. It was around that time this the Crews were merged and Johnny "Apes" Monteleone became the Crew Boss for the South Side.

Also, I did not list Marco D'Amico as part of the Cicero Crew. He was part of the North Side Crew running the Elmwood Park Area/Crew.

I'm sure Little Al can probably clear this up more than I can as he is much more knowledgable when it comes to the Outfit.

Pogo"

Little Al said:

"Well, the guy is referencing some of my links so let me see here. I'll tell you this, these paragraphs run on.

Anthony Zizzo. I may take some flak here , I have never come across anything besides some television news program transcripts that says he was really the underboss. I think he was a major player in the Cicero crew with the Marcello brothers, which Jimmy being the overall boss of the crew.

But, I'll say this, the term "underboss" has traditionally been thrown around like it's nothing when it comes to the Chicago mob since the late 1980s. I mean, I've seen street boss Sal DeLaurentis labeled as Cicero crew boss Rocky Infelise's underboss when Sam Carlisi was the boss and DiFronzo was the real underboss, and I've seen Dominic "Toots" Palermo ID'd at the same time as the underboss to Al Tocco. Reporters in Chicago seem to call the second-in-command of any of the crews an underboss for some reason like they're all separate Families. It's weird. That's where I think the Zizzo underboss thing comes from. Saying he's the second-in-command of the Cicero crew or something. I don't know.

Anyway, after Skids Caruso retired, Angelo "the Hook" LaPietra took over the 26th Street crew as the South Side boss.

Marco D'Amico was the street boss of the Elmwood Park crew for John DiFronzo until his bust in 1994.

When LaPietra went down in 1986, his brother Jimmy took over the 26th Street crew. When he died in 1993, Michael Talarico took over briefly and then Johnny Apes Monteleone took over until his death in 2001 with various street bosses like Joseph "Shorty" LaMantia and Frank "the Breeze" Calabrese doing the day-to-day management. After they went down, I think Monteleone had to get more hands on--not that his hands were ever that far away.

The Chicago Heights crew took some major hits around the time Tocco went down, and then Dominic "Toots" Palermo took it over, but it was basically (I think) a little too f*cked up to continue on--from what I've read--un to 1994, but some reports say it did so who knows.

All those crews still operate its just they're under a regional boss or whatever you want to call it. There are territories--Chicago is chopped up into three territories--and then the crews that comprise each territory, and then each crew has splinter crews or sub-crews (mostly the splinter crews specialize in certain things like gambing and stuff).

Just my opinions on it.

I don't think there's that much to debate about--certainly not "a lot"--between mine and Pogo's two charts. He obviously went back in time a hell of a lot farther than I did. Other than that, there may be a few differences here and there but nothing major between his and mine. I was strictly going off memory when I did mine anyway so I have no years and stuff.

→Quote from Little Joe: "soldiers or what ever, it's always easy to get mixed up, well I have anyways"

This was a good quote. The guy's right, it's easy to get them mixed up and we all do. There are some made guys/associates who are "floaters" and associate with several crews on a regular basis because I have seen some guys labeled as part of this crew or that crew depending on what way a report, article, indictment, appeal, etc., is pointing towards. So that makes it confusing sometimes and some guys I think are just everywhere."

I hope that helps. Alexbonaro 01:26, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

That was great guys, I really appreciate that , like I said, being from the East coast it's easy to follow the New York Families, but Chicago will always be one of the major powers, so if I want to follow the mob, I have to follow the Outfit, and it's justly named because I've never considered it a traditional Family and that's one of the reasons they're still strong. Little Al makes complete sense and I think he's right on the money with the whole "underboss" label, but I think it's safe to say the general consensus with every one is that DiFronzo, Lombardo, Andriacchi and Marcello are the top guys in the Outfit and most likely before Lombardo and Marcello's arrests were consulting and defering to eachother on the major decisions. Thanks guys, keep up the good work because with guys like you, questions don't get answered and you can only learn from other people . Little Joe Shots 01:30, November 25, 2006.

Real Deal Mafia Forum. Little Joe Shots 06:45, November 26, 2006

I've thaught about joining one of the mafia forums, but wasn't sure which one was worth joining. If the forum you mentioned carries that kind of info, it will be worth it, so I'm leaning towards doing that, thanks. I think it wil be worth it since I'm gonna write a book on the East coast Families as soon as I'm done with the screenplay I'm working on. I have a private library of over 200 books on the mob and it's constantly growing. I just ordered the books, Crime Boss Killings:The Castellammarese War, Motor City Mafia, Gangster City:The N.Y. Underworld 1900-35 and When the Mob ran Las Vegas, but it's always good to have other people who know their stuff as resources and are willing to share it.

[edit] Real Deal Forum

You've definately sold me on the forum, thank you. I'm going away to the States on business tonight, but when I return I'll join. I'm very interested in hearing from the members who allege mob ties, that should be interesting since I have my own history with Buffalo, Toronto and Montreal Family members, as well as the Outlaws in Ontario. Most of my direct dealings with the Buffalo Family were through business dealings with a Lt. and associates of the Family's Niagara Falls, Ontario, representative, Carmen Barillaro until he was murdered by the Calabrian Musitano Clan in 1997.

[edit] hy im studying OC

so if u need some information or details about families in NY, just ask, i got lotta books about it.thanks for your charts and articles. jochom@hotmail.com

[edit] Communication

I'd rather just communicate via wikipedia. So what is up? I don't think I can be much help to you regarding internet scams because I just created the template. I don't really know anything about them. Remember 14:35, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Film Music WikiProject

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[edit] Fred Vacco

Alex - I would like to know how the name Fred Vacco was added to the LA FAMILY CHART circa 1954. I can't find any info on him anywhere. What was the source of the information that placed him as a soldier in the family in 1954? He's not in The Last Mafioso or anything else I can find. Mafia Rose 05:08, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I am the grandson of Fred Vacco, my Mom is Carol Rose Vacco. I am very interested in learning more about my grandfather aside from the information I have learned from my Mom and Grandmother!

Thanks User:Vacco

As I knew Fred Vacco quite well during his lifetime in San Bernardino, I was surprised to see him listed as a "soldier" in the LA Family. I knew that he had many italian friends, including Joe Dipolito, but I never knew him to be a mafia member. Perhaps you could provide us with your definition of "soldier". User:Bertram4321

Hello Bertram, a soldier in terms of the mafia is an official inducted member of a family. As opposed to an 'associate' who is not inducted. Any charts that you see Vacco in are not my own, they are merely hosted on my user page for cross referencing. No chart is completely verifiable, not even the FBI ones. I will ask the creator/s of the chart for you and get back to you here. From what I know there is not much information out there on him, you could probably tell me more then I could find for you but I will ask around anyway. Alexbonaro 04:46, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok, it turns out I had already asked around for someone else. Here is the response "As for Alfred Vacco, I got his name from Jiggy who runs an OC website dealing with Los Angeles. He was a soldier close to the Dippolitos. He was active during the 60s. Not 100% sure if he was made by Dragna or Frank DeSimone, but he was a made guy that operated in Joe Dippolito's crew during the 60s. That's about all I have on him." Alexbonaro 04:52, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey Bertram4321, I am Fred Vacco's Grandson and am looking to gain more information on my grandfather. Would love to chat with those who knew him or now much about him. User:Vacco

[edit] List of Italian-American mobsters

Alexbonaro,

I think what Peshal is refering to is this specific edit [1], however I haven't a clue who that is or why he seems upset. I assume he's confused John Germanotta with a relative or a possible celebrity ? MadMax 06:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Salvatore Iannoni

Are you responsible for the reference to Salvatore Iannoni on the Joseph Sica article? If so, where did you find this connection and do you have any more information on this character? Thanks in advance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Omgtehoro (talk • contribs)

No, I am not responsible for that edit but I asked around for you. Here is the answers i got.

"sica was never a member of the la family. actually his crew was probably more powerful then the family. he was close associates to those men and members of the la family and even other familys back east. a real gangster but never a made member of any family. Terry"

"They are talking about Danny "Wilson" Iannone who was one of Dragna's guys in the LA family.Sica I knew very well and when he was young he did alot of work for Jack Dragna and Jack wanted him in the family in the worst way but Joe didnt want to be made or "owned" as he put it.Joe was then working or partners with Cohen in bookmaking and other things but didnt like Cohen's loud attention getting ways so he went on his own.He had his four brothers with him and not a crew but a hundred associates or more across the state of California at his prime.He had connections to the Govenor's office and stayed under the radar,a lot of guys confuse not having a lot of press or books about him as having been a free lance guy with little or no power.The fact is he was a power so respected by LCN bosses he was invited to many of thier families weddings and treated as an equal by Accardo,Marcello and other bosses.He had the largest bookmaking operation west of Chicago bar none.He was smooth and had balls of steel and everyone made money with Joe thats why LA had such a hard time recruiting any of his guys because Joe had loyalty like no one else.He went to bat for his men and took care of them when in the can or jammed up.I guess you could call it a gang but it was state wide.I always read on charts that they always have some of Joe's guys down as LA guys due to some confusion but reality was far different Joe had a bunch of Italian guys from back east who were capable killers in fact a number of families went to him when they wanted no trail back to them.Pat LoPrieda and others were his guys.He had his office at the Formosa Cafe which is still open in LA and I still go there and have a drink in his memory.Joe had Armenian crews and Lebanese in the Central Valley from Bakersfield to Stockton not to mention Okies and others,Joe didnt care much for ethnicity he was about loyalty and quality he died peacefully in a retirement home in the early 90s.Every LCN guy in California was scared shitless of him,he had a stable of killers.Mike Rizzitello worked free lance for him as a killer as well. Angelo"

Hope that helps some. Alexbonaro 02:38, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the healthy response. Where did you get this info, and is it possible to dig up any more info on Danny or Sonny(Salvatore)? Also, "Wilson" was not a nickname of Danny or Sonny, they legally changed their last names to Wilson after moving.

Sonny is my Grandfather, Danny his brother.

-Omgtehoro (Tommy Iannone)

[edit] Frank Mulligan

Alexbonaro,

I came across a recent article Frank Mulligan which claims he was the "Boss of Bosses", however I'm unable to find any references on him. I'm curious, do you know anything about him ? MadMax 03:27, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gencarelli

I was not personal friends or anything, but a friend of mine is a family member. I always thought the story was interesting! While I haven't done much on Wikipedia involving the Mafia, I have always been interested and read about it. --Gloriamarie 10:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

If you want, I can get you in touch with his son. He would know a lot of details. ---Gloriamarie 23:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

He is interested in talking, is there a way he can contact you off Wikipedia in a more private area? Email would be good. Gloriamarie 21:46, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your userpage has been vandalized

Just wanted to warn you. Have a good day, MrMacMan ^Talk 22:58, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Re: Little Joe Shots Buffalo Crime Family Page

Done. I've placed the page you requested under your own user page, here: User:Alexbonaro/Little Joe Shots, including the full page history. Owen× ☎ 13:16, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Invitation to Join WikiProject Crime

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[edit] MfD nomination of Userspace original research on organized crime

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