User talk:Alex Makedon
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Hi Alex Makedon. I see you have been removing my comments in RoM talk page and disseminating propaganda in my talk page. I'm afraid you are in violation of Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Macedonia#Purpose_of_Wikipedia -- Avg 17:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
I dont see why you consider saying a cheerfyll hallo - a "disseminating propaganda"... Where is the ideological struggle? In best regards or in many happy cheers or the propaganda is saying im citizen of Republic of Macedonia?...
I dont know what is your problem, and are you seeing problems where arent any? In this situation its you that is using the Wikipedia to makeup ideological struggles out of nothing, im very disappointed :-(
Yes I have deleted 1 sentence on the section i opend at the Republic of Macedonia discission page, since i wos remaking the whole section, so your sentence - provocation wos deleted... If you still consider essential and constructive for the Wikipedia the comment you added feel free to add it again..
Anyway if you feel offended you in any manner im mor than happy to make it up to you :-) Best regards Alex Makedon (talk) 17:48, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
- Just for your information you once again violate ArbCom decisions and general Wikipedia policies by promoting ideas such as Macedonism in your user page. -- Avg 19:00, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Dear friend you can consider me violating Wikipedia even by promoting Cyrillic alphabet... thats not my problem...Alex Makedon (talk) 19:16, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
- I suggest you read the ArbCom decision above once again and also WP:USER. It is quite obvious that people are offended if you support annexing a part of their country.-- Avg 19:23, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
You can even consider me not only wrong for Wikiperdia but an outlaw simply becouse im declaring my self Macedonian from Republic of Macedonia... its very clear who is the ultra nationalist troll here... this things make me sad... especially from educated young Europeans like you...Alex Makedon (talk) 19:29, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
- Very well. Don't tell me I haven't warned you!-- Avg 19:32, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Lol is that a threat? now you are funny... Anyway, i have stated clear:
And as Macedonian he believes in the reunification of his land, but hopes that to be achived on cultural level and human right recognition by Greece and Bulgaria.
All im saying is that the rights of the minorities, their culture and language should be respected - is it so much?Alex Makedon (talk) 19:44, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
- This issue is already referred to an administrator. But anyway, since you;re asking for a reply, you say "Reunification" of "his" land. What reunification means and whose land is it in the first place? And what do the maps beside show? Are "Pirin" and "Aegean" Macedonia parts of Bulgaria and Greece yes or no? What means "the one Macedonia", referring to RoM? So there is no Bulgarian or Greek Macedonia?-- Avg 19:48, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
I dont intend to argue with you, besides as you know Wikipedia is not a Battlefield ;) cheersAlex Makedon (talk) 19:50, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not arguing with you, I'm showing you where you offended me. You advocate that you want part of my country and you deny me the use of the name Macedonian.-- Avg 19:52, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Omg... "I wanted a part of your country" and what im supposed to do with a part of your contry, its not a chocolate... i wos just talking bout Macedonian minorities rights, the maps shown are demographic not political... ... and i dont see where i denied you anything...Alex Makedon (talk) 20:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
- I take that as a confirmation from you that 1) RoM is not the "only" Macedonia, 2) Greeks are also Macedonians and 3) you will remove from your userpage the maps showing RoM united with Greek and Bulgarian Macedonia? And I didn't quite get the part where you said these are "demographic" maps... so in Aegean Macedonia there aren't 2.500.000 Greeks? -- Avg 20:07, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Dude Wikipedia is not the place for this kind of personal fights you are making... and you dont have to be so threatened by Republic of Macedonia. Its for our common good to create good positive friendly realtions. Cheers Alex Makedon (talk) 20:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
- You may try to divert this as much as you want, however for the last time I'm asking you to remove nationalistic and inflammatory comments from your user page.-- Avg 20:18, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Im sorry you find something offending, but as i have already made clear, and if you read my posts im sure you will understand too, there is nothing to be offended about. That said, i consider this matter closed. Best regards Alex Makedon (talk) 20:34, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Avg dear Greek, you are not a Wikipedia moderator to accuse anyone for anything... :)
P.S. I have deleted your politically motivated defamation from my talk page, and if you insist doing the same i will contact an admin (a real one this time) for harassment and vandalism.
If you have something constructive and intelligent to say do so, if not it would be better for you just to read what other people got to say instead of harassing the Wiki users that have different oppinoin from your Greek nationalist narrow minded point of vews. I count on your good sense.
Best regards from a Macedonian friend from Republic of Macedonia. Alex Makedon
[edit] Sockpuppetry case
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You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Alexander Mak for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. Avg 16:49, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
- You can post an unblock request on your talk page if you like, but since you accussed me in your email of being anti-Macedonia when I've had no involvement in Macdedonia articles at all,.... — Rlevse • Talk • 22:02, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia rules state clear:
Do not use multiple accounts to create the illusion of greater support for an issue, to mislead others, to artificially stir up controversy, to aid in disruption, or to circumvent a block. Do not ask your friends to create accounts to support you or anyone else. Multiple accounts are not for collusion, evasion, disruption, or other misuse.
I did not use multiple accounts for ANY of this reasons, and you have not supported your total - ulimited - block to my IP and Account with ANY reasons, so i must assume that you have some other motivations, and that you are not objective, as ChrisO is not objective since in 48h i had no reason stated by him for his deleting my posts.
...But since you accussed me... sounds a lot like a threat, i have the right to assume someone is unfair or i dont have even that right on Wikipedia???
All this by the Wiki Admins is quite a disappointment for me...
Alex Makedon (talk) 22:12, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
You are not motivated not motivated what do you want money from me to get you motivated, or what?? You have NOT stated ANY REASON or PROVE for MY accusation for sock puppetry!!! ANY WHAT SO EVER! you as a Moderator are obligated, not motivated or not, to state your reasons and proves for your act!!! WHY I HAVE BEEN ACCUSED AND BLOCKED FOR SOCK PUPPETRY??? Alex Makedon (talk) 22:31, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia states clear: user CAN create a new accout for the so called new start, or to have a clean reputation, and his posts not to be underestimated just because of his last blocks. I have not posted from Alexander Mak since, so i have edited under one account! You have no right to block me or accuse me for puppetry! Motivated or not, blocking me is an error and i want an immediate unblock or resonable motivations for this act!
Alex Makedon (talk) 22:53, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
I – and for that matter, probably no other who has commented here – can conceive of a valid reason for you to move on to new accounts. The actions you have done are only covered if you have fulfilled all of RTV's prerequisites, which you have not:
- Personal protection - You have personally identifying information on publicly visible pages on the project, or linked to your username, or there is genuine risk of off-wiki harassment, or unacceptable on-wiki stalking, and you wish to avoid such problems.
- Permanent departure - You plan to permanently leave a project, without changing your mind in the future.
So far, all I've seen or heard of you do is accuse administrators of bias and issuing personal attacks ([1]) against users. Wanting to escape your past to wreak havoc with a new account is neither acceptable nor a valid reason to get a new account. —Animum (talk) 23:05, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
-Its not that i wanted to escape my past blocks.
1) if i wanted to hide dont you think i would have chosen a much different name, or posted on different pages? I have never negated that Alexander Mak account is mine. But have never used it since i got Alex Makedon.
2) Alexander Mak got blocked for posting the City of Skopje page [2]that as you can see looking at the the current revision of the page [3] turned out just the way i got blocked for!!!
3) I got accused by the grek avg, linking the past block for the present posts, "you're trying to be blocked again aren't you" so i did not want the past unfair block for my post (that turned right in the current wiki page [4]) to contribute for underestimating of my current posts [5](see bottom of page, last comment)
4) Wiki puppetry page states clear: Legitimate uses of alternate accounts; Clean start under a new name, If you have a negative track record and you have decided to make a genuine, clean and honest new start, and do not wish it to be tarnished by your prior conduct, you can simply discontinue using the old account(s), and create an unconnected new account which becomes the only account you then use, and is used in a good manner[6]
5) my acc block is for puppetry or for personal attacks, make up your mind... p.s. as i posted: using the form if you are ... or the form are you a ... is not an offence, meaning that i dont assume something about my interlocutor. Even if this subject has nothing to do with my poppetry block...
6) I have not offended Admins, i just say that the one that has blocked me has made a mistake, since its cleat that by the wiki policy one CAN open a new account for a clean reputation!
By this it is clear that i have been blocked unrightfully, and for no legitimate reason and I demand an immediate unblock
Alex Makedon (talk) 23:34, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
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- Editing the same articles with your new account, beginning only two minutes after you abandoned your old account, does not meet the "clean start" criteria at WP:SOCK. This account will remain blocked indefinitely, you must use your old account (Alexander Mak) to edit Wikipedia. LyrlTalk C 22:49, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I dont see the difference in editing the same atricles after 2 min, 20 min or 20 days. The things to consider are these:
1) I have created Alex Makedon when Alexander Mak was free to edit (there was NO block on my old acc when I created the new one)
2) My account did not got banned fot unapropriate editing, so, its clear that I have not created the new account to edit something provocative (despite the opinion of the greek nazionalist that used all of you admins to get me blocked)
3) As you can see here [7] I got tarnished by my prior conduct! (exactly as the WP:SOCK#LEGIT states it).
4) I have contacted the arbitration committee (arbcom-l@wikipedia.org) to note the old and the new account.
I repeat my block is unright! I can use a proxy and virtually do whatever i like ( create new account, and dont have to put up with all this, save my time too) but WHY SHOULD I DO ALL THAT WHEN I HAVE ACTED ACCORDING TO WIKIPEDIA RULES???
best regards, and i count on your neutrality and good sense!
Alex Makedon (talk) 10:42, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] My comments
Hello, sorry I wasn't around to answer your request for assistance in time. Here's just my two cents on the situation. On the one hand, it is true that avoiding the stigma of a block log is not normally considered a legitimate reason to switch accounts. We keep block logs for a reason; we want other editors to be able to see whether a user has been blocked before. A "clean start" is not really an option if you then continue immediately with the same type of editing, especially if you keep involving yourself in the same set of disputes.
On the other hand, I believe that the SSP report against you was an act of abusive harassment, and that the 48-hour block on your main account was completely uncalled-for, since your account change evidently was not an attempt at deception. (You may be interested to see the thread I started at WT:SSP about this.)
So, my suggestion is: Since you now have not only two deserved (though newbie-ish) blocks but also one undeserved block on your old account's log, I think we should actually let you shift, by way of exception, but I'll request that you keep your two user pages linked to each other (i.e. redirect User:Alexander Mak to User:Alex Makedon and have a link to {{userlinks|Alexander Mak}} on the latter.) I'll be willing to unblock your new account under that condition and leave an explanatory note in the block log.
Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:01, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
- OK seems resonable enough, still i would suggest to change the WP:SOCK#LEGIT since it will inevitably lead to misguides, to see the user history is in clear conflict with legitimate cleen start account. I will make a link on my userpage to the Alexander Mak page.
Alex Makedon (talk) 23:44, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
As I always do, but willing to seek for the truth inevitably puts in trouble, since the truth hurts, and many are willing to manipulate the truth for political narrow minded reasons. Alex Makedon (talk) 10:20, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Your recent edits
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You have been temporarily blocked from editing Wikipedia as a result of your disruptive edits. You are free to make constructive edits after the block has expired, but please note that vandalism (including page blanking or addition of random text), spam, deliberate misinformation, privacy violations, personal attacks; and repeated, blatant violations of our policies concerning neutral point of view and biographies of living persons will not be tolerated. For 2 weeks, for abusive edits about Wikipedia editors. Length of block is due to your prior block and sockpuppet history ⇒SWATJester Son of the Defender 19:22, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
