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Contents 1 SatyrBot 2 IRC 3 Relevant quotes from the citations pasted, etc. (Sister Roma) 4 Reply about userpage vandalism 5 LGBT WikiProject Newsletter 5.1 Alice and her harasser 5.2 Harry Potter and his homosexual teacher 5.3 "My Fellow Americans" 5.4 Same name, same sexuality: a riddle for the ages 5.5 Beat writer arouses Irish guy 5.6 Love those Texas Longhorns 5.7 Point and Counterpoint 5.8 Drudgery on offer 5.9 "My Fellow Americans" redux 5.10 This month's Wiki stars 5.11 And the Oscar goes to... 5.12 Fresh faces to brighten our pages 5.13 Leather and lace 5.14 Late breaking news 5.15 Champagne dreams and caviar kisses 6 So? 7 LGBT WikiProject newsletter 8 BLP Request 9 AfD nomination of Fib (poetry) 10 Happy Holidays 11 Peter Yarrow Discussion page 12 Welcome to Novels WikiProject 13 Truly Thank You & God bless You 'Angel Aleta' to guard my pages 14 Vine and Olive Colony 15 Respected Aleta, Pls read the below page, Do the justice 15.1 Dear Greame 16 Userbox 17 Happy holidays!

[edit] SatyrBot

Hi, Aleta! I've been working to improve SatyrBot's functioning, and I wanted to ask you two things:

1. Has the bot been working okay on new page tagging within the past week? Did you notice it's work on Saturday, and did it do alright?
2. Would you take a look at the offering page I've put together to "advertise" to other WikiProjects?

Many thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 22:17, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] IRC

A bunch of us are on IRC right now. Join us if you can. The link is in the September archive. Jeffpw 22:13, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Relevant quotes from the citations pasted, etc. (Sister Roma)

Dear Aleta, please allow me to copy and paste what appears in the references cited, and what appears in the text. You can compare the two and see for yourself that what the anon has been saying all along is true: (1) text: "She is one of the best known members of the group with many believing she is likely the most visible" -- and the reference: "...which included Sister Roma, one of the Sisters' most well known members..." Saying "one of the best known" is not the same as "most well known." And there is no mention of "likely the most visible" in either reference. (2) text: "In 1991 Roma introduced the STOP the Violence Campaign to combat hate crimes throughout the city as well as on college campuses" -- and the reference: "Back home in San Francisco, Sister Roma! introduced her STOP the Violence Campaign in reaction to the rise of violence in the streets, especially hate crimes" and "The Order distributed window signs and whistles in the various neighborhoods and districts of the city as well as on college campuses." As written, the text says that the campaign was introduced to combat hate crime throughout the city *as well as on college campuses*, but the reference states the campaign was introduced *in reaction to* the rise of violence -- and later, that the Order distributed signs and whistles in neighborhoods and districts *as well as on college campuses*. Nowhere does the reference assert that hate crimes were being "combatted" in *both* the city *and* college campuses. Can you see the differences now? Can you see the anon was correct in what he has been saying? If you or anybody else cannot tell the differences, then you or they are in the wrong (volunteer) business. Thanks for your time. Pass the word. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.76.81.121 (talk) 00:49, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reply about userpage vandalism

No problem! I saw what seemed to be a relatively experienced (and fine) user who all of the sudden decided to vandalize...I checked out his other recent edits and saw a few other vandal edits that had gone unnoticed.   jj137 (Talk) 22:22, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue XI - November 1, 2007 Hey, Peeps, it's that time of the month again (no not that time — get your mind out of the gutter): time for another monthly edition of the LGBT Project's Love Boat newsletter from your cruise director Miss Julie. So much has been happening this month and I just can't wait to tell you all about it!!! [edit] Alice and her harasser Let's start with some good news: Alice and the project lost the bothersome sock puppet who had been disrupting many articles we monitor, and now most of us can edit in relative peace. Congratulations, Alice, for being able to come out of semi-retirement. Benjiboi, on the other hand, has gained an anonymous IP stalker who seems to be more Catholic than the Pope and who has a hard-on for the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. We seem to have a sort of Yin and Yang thing going on here, which helps both to keep us in balance and on our toes <bright smiles all around>. [edit] Harry Potter and his homosexual teacher Albus Dumbledore got outed this month, and was immediately adopted by our project. The international brouhaha surrounding this disclosure reached all the way to Wikiland, and his article was briefly locked due to homophobic vandalism (as well as well meaning editors who just couldn't believe that that nice man could possibly be gay). This is a wonderful article to add to your watchlist, and will surely give you hours of reverting fun on cold winter days. [edit] "My Fellow Americans" On a more serious note, Fireplace has suggested a new article series about LGBT rights in the United States, state by state. This ambitious topic will surely require many editors and a lot of research, but has the potential to add further prestige to our already prestigious project. [edit] Same name, same sexuality: a riddle for the ages Francis Bacon (not the new gay one, but the old gay one ... though they're actually both dead, now that I think about it) has also aroused passions here on Wikipedia, with editors opposing his sexuality being disclosed in his biography. The always helpful Haiduc has thoughtfully provided any number of sources, but it is slow going getting his point across. Anyone want to lend a hand? [edit] Beat writer arouses Irish guy And speaking of passions, Jack Kerouac has inflamed the senses once again with editors, including administrator Irishguy, mounting a spirited defense to keep him as heterosexual as possible for Wikipedia purposes. Why? I don't know. Perhaps some of you can drop by the talk page and ask your questions there. I feel certain a stimulating debate will ensue that will be enjoyed by all. [edit] Love those Texas Longhorns Did you know that one of our Featured articles, Lawrence v. Texas, lost its shiny gold star? That was a shocker. It has been suggested that we turn our attention to it in an effort to restore it to its former glory. I took a peek, and it does need our help badly. For our American editors, it would seem almost a civic duty to edit it (not that I'm hinting....). [edit] Point and Counterpoint Though it was far too intellectual a debate for a mere cruise director like myself to take part in, Intersexuality was certainly a hot topic a week or two ago. The thrust of the debate was over inclusion in our project. Lots of good editors had lots of good opinions. For those too lazy to check out the discussion, we decided to leave it out for now. [edit] Drudgery on offer Peer review is, as always, short staffed and seemingly unloved. Wouldn't you feel better about yourself and the world in general if you took a few minutes to read one of the listed articles and offer some helpful advice? I know I'd feel better if you did. [edit] "My Fellow Americans" redux The article LGBT movements in the United States certainly raised eyebrows last week, especially when it was discovered that copyrighted content had been added to our article. Tragedy was averted at the last minute, though, when the original hosts of the article where the material had been pilfered agreed to make it free to everyone. Our thanks to them, whoever they are. Busy Bee that I am, I haven't had time to read it, but I'm sure it's sensational. [edit] This month's Wiki stars Lesbian pulp fiction (a genre close to my heart, I must confess) writer Ann Bannon has decided to spice up the featured articles candidates list this month. Why not drop by and make your opinion heard? Joining her in this lofty aspiration are the articles But I'm a Cheerleader and Conversion therapy. I'm sure their main editors would welcome any comments (well, helpful ones, anyway) on the talk pages or the FAC discussions. And lest we forget, the List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people: Sd-Si became a Featured list!! Rah rah, siskumbah! Go, team, GO!!!! [edit] And the Oscar goes to... Not content to run for Best Actress, plucky Bannon won a Best supporting actress Oscar... whoops, I meant to say Ann is also getting more than her share of womanly attention on the Good Article list. Joining her on this exalted plane are Freddy Mercury, Waylon Smithers and Lance Bass. Good articles indeed, and the last one mentioned just goes to show that one needn't admire the subject of an article to appreciate the effort put into making him worthwhile reading. What on earth Britney ever saw in him I'll never know. Truly a riddle cloaked in an enigma and wrapped around a puzzle. [edit] Fresh faces to brighten our pages Though I may not be the first, let me extend a warm, LGBT Love Boat welcome to the 12 new members who joined us in October: Jliberty, JockCub360, ChristopherEdwards, Desiderius82, Zlrussell, Kelsied, BeardedWoof, Mujerado, Tyrfing, Fabgurrl, Redl@nds597198, and decafdyke! Whatever you choose to do here, I feel sure that your contributions will enhance our project to no end. And if they don't...well, let's just say that I'm not shy. [edit] Leather and lace On a personal note, your already overworked cruise director is being cyberly whipped almost daily by Nemissimo, who desperately wants to get the German BDSM translation copy edited and used as a replacement for the current one. It's such a ... err, stimulating topic that I am sure many of you will want to join the copy editing fun. Jump right in, folks! It's so lonely copy editing it all by my lonesome! [edit] Late breaking news A little birdie just whispered in my ear that our noble collaboration project was delisted from the Community Portal due to inactivity. When asked how this scandalous turn of events could have occurred, the answer I received was "we suck at stuff like that". Well. In the first place, I disagree that sucking should be considered a negative, but to each his or her own. In the second place, I have full confidence that we can and will collaborate with other projects in the future. So let's not view this as a setback (even though it is), but rather a challenge to improve (and good Lord, I sound almost Wikipedian!). [edit] Champagne dreams and caviar kisses Lastly, the holidays are rapidly approaching. Our American cousins are currently getting ready to slaughter masses of poultry in an effort to show their gratitude and generally peaceful demeanor, and those of the Canadian persuasion, trendsetters that they are, celebrated a bit early this year. I'm sure all us foreigners will join together in wishing them all a very happy Thanksgiving on their respective holidays, both already celebrated and forthcoming... though I would hope somebody would enlighten me as to why they don't celebrate it on the same day. I was awake all last night trying to figure that one out. In the spirit of this peculiarly North American holiday, let me take a moment to thank all of our editors for their contributions to this project. It's people like you who make people like me...well, a "people person"! May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon. Kisses, Miss Julie To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Dev920 know.

Delivered on 12:00, 1 November 2007 (UTC).

[edit] So?

you like? And thank you for the copyedit. I just bang on the keyboard and hope for the best! Jeffpw 23:42, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, yes. Miss Julie is talented at taking the workings of the project and summarizing them in an amusing manner. You are most welcome! I took you at your word last month that such edits would be appreciated. :) Aleta 23:51, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LGBT WikiProject newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue XII - December 1, 2007 Here comes Santa Claus, Here comes Santa Claus, right down Santa Claus lane! Ho, ho ho (but not that kind of ho!) and Merry Christmas, everybody! Yes, that's right. It's time for the Christmas edition of the LGBT Love Boat newsletter. This homo Love Boat is cruising into Christmas and counting down the days to a brand new year! It doesn't matter if you're Christian or belong to some other, more obscure sect. Jesus loves you one and all, so let's curl up around the fire, sing some carols, drink some egg nog, and have a gay old time. But before we do, perhaps your chipper cruise director Miss Julie should spread the gender bendin' news from everyone's favorite project.... Table of Contents Quelle Suprise! King James is a Queen! It's Britney, Bitch! Game show for nerds Jón Þór Birgisson Everybody loves a sequel Not quite the second coming, but special just the same Battle of the Wikipedia Stars! Santa needs elves Urgent Christmas appeal Surrender, Dorothy!!!!!!! Ambrosia Christmas came early You! Quelle Suprise! King James is a Queen! Our dear Haiduc, never a stranger to controversy, recently decided to delve into the wardrobe of the British Monarchy, and what did he discover? King James had more than appreciative eyes for strapping young men! Naturally, Haiduc felt the need to share this news with the community, but instead of being praised for his scholarship, he was reviled. In fact, one rabid heterocentrist even rummaged around in his own wardrobe until he found an old pair of socks to play with. All seemed lost until astute editor Jeffpw noticed some odd postings and did some sleuthing of his own. The socks were uncovered, the Wicked Witch was melted and readers the world over were able to learn that Good King James regularly ordered tube steak from the menu of the day. Thank you, Haiduc! Thank you, Jeff! And let Miss Julie add (for readers who might not know) that tube steak tastes just like chicken! It's Britney, Bitch! Well, maybe it's not Miss Thang, herself, but it's the next best thing: Chris Crocker! he stirs up just about as much controversy as his idol does, even here on Wikipedia. Though it's all a bit of a muddle, one of our editors hopes you can drop by the talk page and leave a message of hope for those battling the forces of obstructionism in that little corner of the Wiki World. It is so hard to spread enlightenment. As Miss Parker herself said, "You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think". Game show for nerds Wallowing in cash from the latest beg-a-thon, the powers-that-be have decided to sponser a little contest here to improve the articles, with a Grand prize of $100. Yeah. Just enough for a Burger King dinner for the family. Still, the thought is nice and the goal is noble, so we should support it. Our little Queer beehive has taken a look at what's on offer, and both the Greek Traditionalists and Daughters of Bilitis are well represented. The ever useful SatyrTN has made a little list, which can be found here (if that malignant bot hasn't archived it already, that is). So find a pal, roll up your sleeves and dive right in. Let's show this Encyclopedia just what Queers with firecrackers up their....err, I mean, let's show the others what we can do. Jón Þór Birgisson I can't pronounce his name, but he's awfully cute, he's deliciously foreign, and best of all...he's GAY! But he won't be for long, if certain users have their way. A concerted effort has been under way for a while now, designed to neuter poor Jon (pretend I put a little accent thingy over that O) and make him into a sort of rockin' Ken doll. So please watchlist this hunka man, and keep him queer! If anybody questions you, tell them "Miss Julie sent me". TranSanta Everybody loves a sequel Readers not afflicted with Alzheimer's will remember that last month we had a little story about Alice and her harasser. That proved so popular that we bring you the sequel: Benjiboi and his stalker. After a chance meeting at the Michael Lucas article, this anonymous user took a shine to our Benjiboi, and has been showering him with attention on virtually every board on Wikipedia. Flattered though he is, Benjiboi finds the attention a bit distracting, and administrators have been seeking various remedies for this. It has proven difficult, as the stalker has an IP address that changes quicker than Superman in a telephone booth. So perhaps some of you would like to watchlist Benjiboi's page, and lend a hand if you see some love letters from an 11 digit friend. I was actually thinking we should get Alice's harasser and Benjiboi's stalker together. Then we could have another sequel, sort of like Freddy vs. Jason. Any bets as to who would win?? Not quite the second coming, but special just the same Let me be the first to give a warm, wet, Love Boat kiss (though not with tongue) to our newest Project members: Jacksinterweb, Cleduc, Pigman, Becksguy and Iamandrewrice. Even in the month of our Saviour's birth, your popping into our Wikipedian lives is a blessed event indeed. As Jesus Himself said, "Live long and prosper". He did say that, didn't he? I think he said it. In any event, if he was standing next to me now, I'm sure he'd say it, and add, "Happy homo editing!" Battle of the Wikipedia Stars! Indomitable Ann Bannon is holding her own in Wikipedia's answer to American Idol: The Featured Article candidate list! For four feverish weeks, she has mastered the challenges and not been eliminated from the competition. Drop by the FAC page and show Ann you love her....or give her the hook (I'm not supposed to tell you how to vote). Giving our plucky Ann reason to hope is the recent promotion of List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people: Sa-Sc. If Miss Julie has her way, we will have the entire alphabet of Queerdom Featured here on Wikipedia soon! And I would be remiss if I did not give a warm, Lesbian salute to our own Belovedfreak, who showed Wikipedia with But I'm a Cheerleader that even pom poms are no protection from the Love that dare not speak its name, and got a gold star for her efforts. Climbing the Wikipedia career ladder is User: Tim1965, who has not only written, but is now promoting Reel Affirmations to Good article status. Best of luck, Tim, and remember: there are no small parts, only small actors. We're sure you'll be trading that green circle for a gold star soon (assuming you get the green in the first place!). Santa's on his gay way! Santa needs elves Yes, I know: packages need buying, trees need trimming, egg nog needs drinking. The holidays make many demands on our time. It's ...well, it's a bitch, is what it is. So I wouldn't blame you for skipping this little section and putting off my request until next year. But...think of the children. Our future. They need quality information about the homosexual "lifestyle" if we are to indoctrinate them properly. That's why I am asking you to drop by our Peer review area and give your meaning as to the efforts of your fellow gay Wikipedians. And think: in this season of kindness and good will to all, isn't it nice that I am pointing you to someplace where you can (in a Wikiloving way, of course) rip someone a new asshole? Think about it...and those children with their shiny, bright eyes, thanking you for contributing to their future. Even more festively, consider joining in on the deletion discussions of our favorite articles. Here you can bandy about such words as "homophobia", "Right-wing Christian agenda" and my personal favorite, "just who do you think you're pushing around?!?!?". If you play your cards right, there might even be an extra present under the tree for you. :-D Urgent Christmas appeal Tovojolo asked me to ask you to edit Elizabeth Bishop as part of the Collaboration Project. She's an old dead poet (Miss Bishop, not Tovojolo. I've never actually met Tovojolo. She's probably very young and attractive. Maybe somebody should ask if she's single), but she was a flaming homosexual long before most of us had even been conceived, so we owe her some respect. Tovojolo actually asked me for the last newsletter, but Miss Julie forgot. Bad Miss Julie. She was so busy boosting morale it just slipped right by her. Nemissimo, maybe you need to crack that whip again to get Julie back in line. Surrender, Dorothy!!!!!!! Friend of Dorothy has attracted the attention of a group of....the more senior elements of our gay society. They disagree with our thesis that Saint Judy was the possible source of the term, and demand we change the article to reflect their contention that Dorothy Parker was the origin. The problem is, their source didn't check out. So we agreed to disagree. Well, we at the project did. They got kinda mad at us, said unkind things, and started edit warring. Though they are old, they are certainly quick, and could revert the article faster than my nimble fingers could press the undo button. To quote the divine Miss Parker, every time I saw the article on my watchlist, I thought to myself, "What fresh hell is this?". The page was protected by sympathetic administrators, but keeping an eye on it will keep Dorothy safe from future Wicked Witches of the West or East. Ambrosia Our dear Benjiboi has been busy indeed, lately. He recently made fruit salad out of Fruit, turning a once nasty word into a damn good article, and saving it from deletion! Congratulations, Benjiboi! I hear he has turned his attention from fruit to poultry now. Before he is through, he will have turned every major food group gay on Wikipedia! Christmas came early Yes, indeed! Valued administrator WJBscribe was raised out of the mire of mid-level management and placed squarely into the Pantheon of Bureaucracy! And Miss Julie is just too proud of him not to mention that he got the most support votes in the history of Wikipedia! Congratulations, WJB! We know you will not prove the Peter Principle correct! You! Yes, you! It's you who make this project shine! It's you who make Wikipedia such a valuable resource for all humanity! And it's you who make Miss Julie's dull life just a little bit better. So I want to take this moment to thank each and every one of you for all you do here. Merry Christmas, everybody! Happy Hanukkah! Festive Kwanzaa! Delirious Dong Zhi! Delicious Diwali! And for our oppressed Iranian brothers and sisters, I wish you a safe and joyous Yalda. And if I didn't mention your favorite December holiday, well, it's because I feel it's so special I should just keep it between you and me. Always remember: You light up my life! May we all have a joyous holiday season, and a safe, healthy, happy and prosperous 2008. With love from Miss Julie To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Your Cruise Director know.

Delivered on 20:05, 3 December 2007 (UTC). SatyrBot 20:26, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] BLP Request

Could you please include your thoughts at the following request for comment: Talk:Peter Yarrow#RfC: Conviction and pardon. Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jkp212 (talk • contribs) 05:11, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Fib (poetry)

An article that you have been involved in editing, Fib (poetry), has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fib (poetry). Thank you. TheRingess (talk) 21:33, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Happy Holidays

[edit] Peter Yarrow Discussion page

Would you please rejoin the conversation at the Peter Yarrow discussion page. Your input would be helpful David in DC (talk) 20:20, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Now John c and a transparent sock puppet are wheel warring the edits into the article. I don't want to violate 3RR, so I've requested protection. Any help you can provide would be welcome.David in DC (talk) 02:42, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome to Novels WikiProject

[edit] Truly Thank You & God bless You 'Angel Aleta' to guard my pages

Naresh Sonee & Brhmaand Pujan I have gone through your pages of interest. Yes you indeed proved that you believe in 'world wide voice' & Unitarian Universalism justice. Certainly, how come some of you pop up on pages with your instinctual positive approach on 'lone left out insecure pages' and godly interfere as good judges which keep wikipedia 'clean up' from 'brilliancies bias'. Regards / Alan Sun---Dralansun (talk) 05:29, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome.  :) Aleta (talk) 14:37, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vine and Olive Colony

Just wanted to say thanks for your edits to the Vine and Olive Colony article that I started. You made a great improvement to the flow and grammar. Altairisfar^talk 02:10, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Respected Aleta, Pls read the below page, Do the justice

I wrote this below letter but my heart felt , you too should read my feeling & help me if you can. How i don't know but this letter is also for you.--Dralansun (talk) 09:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dear Greame

Ok but if i give or create a website link on news/reviews originally published on Sonee will it be enough to prove his notability, reliability? I want to say to you- no publisher declare exact sale of books in India . Small Publishers of India unlike big publishers of world rarely disclose their sales for one or other reasons of governing laws . And Greame , when a good friend like you say to write/offer a new subject on India philosophy , poets etc. for wiki. In this regard , needless to say - you too had observed the experience with wikipedia people like us have. All is very difficult here . It's self torturing & humiliating to self or for the person , place thing entitled. Years of research sem waste for wiki. i shared my info going through years of research on Indian religion or global. I came across many poet or philosophers but nothing I got substantial. All were as usual poets who are nature lovers,praising sky and moon, flowers, beloved etc. Even you come across copying philosophy of one an another. 'Code name God' has copied Sonee thoughts but person like Sonee laugh and say atleast voice are getting alert and that what he need. Very soon even you will see Sonee's suggestion will be followed concerned/suggestions to LGTB. Among philosophers and poets I accidentally came across this living person Naresh Sonee & I learnt some unique ability is there in this person unlike other professional; poets , religious care takers or philosophers he imitate none but is standing alone against them in a cult like India where his life is at threat.

Graeme, as you have suggested me to write on others' philososophers etc.. - On what ground of guarantee or time of length a person can again go or get involved for a new research Graeme Should only to convince my self that I wrote/contributed something on wikipedia- Should I leave my routine job of regular earning and do all such pain taking research for the sake of convincing myself ability in front of wiki aspiring young moody judges. I don't think they are capable , understandable, matured, reasonable enough to justify any caliber.

Writing on Wikipedia is just like writing on sea shore sand. A smallest undecent wave may ruin all of your writings. It's like children making a fort by using sand on the beach. Yes indeed , what I felt judges on wiki are recruited for their job, even a school students contribute their article or small researches and jump on any page ‘delete or raise a objection’ But I have no complaint on them too. Today they are here tomorrow they may join some BPO, call centre or softwares company. Good luck &God bless all of them. some might even join some publishing houses or become writer or editor of newspapers or become great publishers.Who know what tomorrow has kept ?. Yes many will leave when they will paid more than wiki. Good luck to them. Meanwhile, What I have come across , Almost all on wiki projects are aspiring to become editors or writers by profession. Whereas I am satisfied with my patients. I thought of doing something senseful by sharing my views on a unique person but I failed. I believe there may be hardly any editor in wiki who is a known person of any country , state, city or even a remote village. They have not written any book or never had any newspapers talking on them. Never dared to question the world openly. But their opinion on Sonee was their great acheivment and final. My efforts were deleted as their pleasure. No regret. But as I see some vole enters or checking editors are not matured like you. I wish you good luck on wiki as people like you are angel here but I felt very bad experience of self humiliation on wiki . Nothing I found constructive here . No chance for good people , good voice. LGTB or religious groups or Language , Cult bar is ruling on heads. I have come across stubbed people who are ruling 7 rolling the roost like a snake & ladder game . They tarnish images of good people who stay honest in their approach or efforts to do contribution to uplift mankind.

There are pages on professional people like Britney Spears , Pamela Anderson who contribute nothing more than their nakeness of absurd thoughts and acts to uplift the society Unlike them but people like Sonee are suppressed by rigid [[LGTB}} or religious cult. There are strange thinkers on wiki. No I don't feel to ever go in this hassle of dog fight , where constantly one has to guard the page as a faithful dog of his master’s home and see if no other dog come to bark or bite. Spiting on each other is the game on wikipedia (misusing public donation for raising professional artists or corporate houses ) . Even when my health did’nt permitted but I watched my page 24 hours. so that someone don’t come and spit on it. / destroy it without reasons. Wiki should replace their name . The name should be a engine where ‘dog constantly fights for ever’ & the winner is - who can fight more consistently & cunningly.

Graeme , of course , bias are there on wikipedia . And even you can’t dismiss this fact. This you too will also admit. Also a school boy can come on your page all of a sudden pull your legs on bias acting/posing worse than a 'big school boy' who repeat his class and show muscles on juniors, ragging on classmates who are sober. Wikipedia has become a school / college ragging centre where aspiring writers or soft tool experts want to self tag medal by writing compositions of self praise, self contributions, exhibiting self hobbies, creating self interested debate etc o otherwise. Constructions of lot of big people pages on global people are still not raised there. So many past and present pedias are missing yet.

What I felt in my process of experience with wiki- It work as a two formed gangs of angels and devils. Both are sincerely , seriously opposing each other. But I experienced only a stronger gang survive and weaker gang has no choice but to surrender. The chairpersons should change the systems of wikipedia that is the crucial need of the hour. Everyone is acting judge over one and another. I experienced , I became mad in guarding my page. My regular routine got upset. But how can I do this for ever? Well any search engine is familiar with Sonee or his work . And Graeme do you expect indymedia foolish to sustain his articles of past years.

Greame, I have no hard feeling for persons who had removed my page, But I need you to forward my voice to wikipedia chair persons. with this appeal sent to you. As wiki projects depends on donations of mass. So it should act transparently for/by/of the people. Complete democratic. Voice of people should get register. Good notable voices should not be fooled by foolish and ruled out hopelessly even when original news/review of news papers are attached to the article. Does it show sensibility of responsibility? Is wikipedia the sand on sea shore where anyone can rub & wash. Nothing is permanent secure on wikipedia. Why professional sale of a person or his book must be the criteria of notability or reliability ? . Would wikipedi include Mother Teresa or her work for noble cause or if she prove her or how million her ‘though gott sold’ by professional private penguins. Should only gimmick/ mytho fiction senseless book of children Harry Potter info should wikipedia exchange or expose to a seeker ? Should view of Sonee not reach the world or knowledge hungry seeker bywhat soever news? And are indymedia news or self created news are not news of notability. You mean to say – Only private press like Washington Times can declare reliability or registration of a news ? And only a news which comes from private horses mouth are news & other falls from donkey’s (indemedia’s) mouth. Is wikipedia a private? Corporate ? or free accessible Public Info property which sustain / float/fly on public funds? Is google, yahoo engine hits not enough to show notability? You see from the very start Sonee page was questioned /complained/objected for one or other reasons. However I tried to cover all lame objections of every school boy questioning or joining the debate. What I judged - The stronger gang saw that the page be removed for ever. Does a person have nothing to do in life apart from controlling his raised pages on wikipedia sand where any fool or person with bias come and delete the pain taking research of some one ? Is wikipedia source of un permanent info? Graeme, why my full pages were dismiss is my humble question to wikipedia chairpersons and not their employee . At least two line of info a character or caliber like Sonee deserves? Was there no body to keep two line on this page . Was everthing rigged by me . Is Sonee not a poet ? Is he a nonsense person with nonsense voice or view , in no news ? What these wiki people want to say or establish? A world info is parted here on wiki. A contributor does research and a foolish school boy comes and add/ delete any page. Why such nonsense wiki management entertains? And a known person like Naresh Sonee on search engines or newspapers news is fully deleted by a group of unknown persons who are ‘all unknown’ and hardly contributed nothing so great other than some compositions on wiki or self websites which any school boy is eager to display.

You see LGTB community is very against of Sonee how a person of LGTB give a right judgment on Sonee? And are 5 to 10 people enough to judge Naresh Sonee’s work or name which millions of people or newspapers readers already know in India or otherwise. He has a strong presence in India . And the persons involved who deleted his page are of course in deed ‘un notable persons by any newspapers. They are no poets, no philosophers, no reformers. They can only read and criticize others' work or contribution as public does but they can’t lead to raise constructive voice which Sonee had time & again tried to done.

Wikipedia should not deny to share info of any happening of person, place, performance regardless to how small or big the info or notability is from past or present. A world wide view ( news) or vision coming from any remote place or people should have equal justice to get registered in wikipedia.

Anyway Graeme, I am not a bit disturbed by you. Your cause to delete my page in past was reasonable & you took all pain to guide me reinstall my page. I heartily thank you again. but yes as every good human might spell his mind so exactly I have done here. It’s not my out burst but a sane argument which if person who deleted my page should empathy if s/he is in my position. Administrators should not had cut all links so hurtingly at once urgently. You have helped me a lot as angel so I can’t ask you for more extra favors. But if your Godly instinct feel that a person like Sonee deserve two line on wikipedia info , just write for me or him . You know the subject.

Meanwhile you are in better position to debate this issue. This is not a point of insulting my writings by totally removing them . It’s also like questioning your integrity of editing and improving it which you did. Are they saying that even you are an immature editor to improve and clean-up my page? And what happen to your comment and some good people like you as Aleta who strongly supported my notability of article. Once again, if you feel raise a small page on Sonee and check your self how difficult is to win LGTB or regid religious community. You your self will realize what does bias on a person actually mean? Do it if your God feel. All heart felt & spelt, Graeme forgive me if I have over written in loose sentiments. I opened up with you as my angel. Regards- Alan Sun --Dralansun (talk) 09:46, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Dear Aleta, You are right. I respect you a lot for you have supported my page without knowing me. You see, Aleta , I am a human not god. it's question of creditability not only mine but also of an entity – identity in question. I provided all the facts what so ever was demanded by wikipedian editors or opposers. But without investigating /verifying my news/reviews on Sonee , the administrator ruthlessly deleted it under influence of 4-5 people. Have they kept two lines over there on the person in question. I would had not raised my voice. Frustration & fighting for my democratic rights are two different issue. You can put me in any slot. It’s your view and mind. However , This might be an inspiration from Sonee to me or person like Gandhi where person has to fight his battle alone. Without dying no body can enjoy heaven. I have learnt form such people –if you are certain to certify self reasoning or common sense considering it ethically right then least care what might the world think of you. One should act and speak right. & that’s what I am doing here. Few people have label my writing as soap box, unreliable etc… God bless them. They don’t know about the person what revolution his voice is going to influence the world in future. Jesus, Kabir did not changed the world in a day. No wikipedia was there then to suppress such voices or sharing their info. Strangely Good or ridiculously bad human one day are in scripted in history. May be Jesus or Bin Laden. So my suggestion to you as a well wisher is never leave your good deed, Person like Graeme & You are rare angel breed. I can feel from my inner sense of little wisdom . I may or may not raise the page on Sonee as my mood is very upset @ present, but ever if couple of you angels feel to raise Sonee page once again any of your good selves can go contribute for the betterment of world welfare deeds. Try it. You will get a peaceful sleep. Because real angels never sleep unless they help a true person in difficulty successfully. They don’t leave the victim in middle of ocean. I am fed up putting my points clicking reading all wiki pages. I have gone mad to convince them. It’s just writing on sand. So, If your instinct feel Sonee deserve two line after reading below talk page of Graeme & Keeper76 feel free to raise a para on Sonee. That is enough for my satisfaction. Read the following links & forward my voice to the ‘Chief Arbitrator Section’ or chair persons directors who run this wiki show biz. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graeme_Bartlett#Speedy_deletion_of_Web_and_Flo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keeper76 Pls. Push my above voice to the chairperson of wikipedia Graeme & Aleta. God bless yopu always-Alan Sun---Dralansun (talk) 14:17, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

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I hope you dont mind that I used this userbox

for my userbox page

1bookfan 00:42, 23 December 2007 (UTC).

Not at all... I got it from someone else in fact. Aleta (Sing) 01:03, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

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