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External Links

I reverted JoeSmack's last edit removing the Alexis Bledel Fan website for these reasons:

  • Nowhere on WP:EL is it said that a fan site for a person can not be placed as an external link, which is probably why most articles about celebrities have them.
  • It is however said that "sites with other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article, such as reviews and interviews" should be added, which is exactly what Alexis Bledel Fan, the most complete Alexis Bledel resource on Internet is. I would like to add that I have no affiliation whatsoever with the Alexis Bledel Fan website.

Please do not remove the link again. Happy Evil Dude 13:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Saying most celebrity articles have them doesn't make them an appropriate EL (e.g. two wrongs don't make a right). In WP:EL:
(Links normally to be avoided): Sites that are only indirectly related to the article's subject: it should be a simple exercise to show how the link is directly and symmetrically related to the article's subject. This means that there is both a relation from the website to the subject of the article, and a relation from the subject of the article to the website. For example, the officially sanctioned online site of a rock band has a direct and symmetric relationship to that rock band, and thus should be linked from the rock band's Wikipedia article. An alternative site run by fans is not symmetrically related to the rock band, as the rock band has only indirect connections with that site.
It is a tertiary source and not as reliable as the secondary and primary sources it draws upon (WP:RS). Wikipedia is not a mere directory of links (WP:NOT); if they are used they need to provide relevant and non-trivial information.
...you can see it from my contributions, but I remove linkspam a whole ton. A fansite is linkspam, no matter how many times it is repeated in other articles. I will leave it to ya'll to remove it if ya'll see fit (which I hope I have demonstrated). Cheers. JoeSmack Talk 16:40, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Birth Year

I just changed her birth year to 1982, because so all the major sites about her say. IMDB says 1981, but we know that IMDB can be wrong of course. If anybody knows any better, please do correct! (Ok, this was kind of useless to say) Lazarus Long 20:41, 30 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Texas birth records (ancestry.com) confirm the year of 1981. Questors 15:13, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

images copyright

Do we have permission to use the recently added promotion photos? If so, such info should be added to the Image info pages. Maver1ck 04:40, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Presumably the whole point of promo photos is for them to be seen as much as possible to promote the show and actors, therefore I categorized Alexis and Lauren.jpg as Promotional.

delete?

should the information for sin city be deleted? The page is meant to be for information for Alexis Bledel not Sin City, if you wanted that you could go to the Sin City page and get it. -- Zapacna 16 August 2005

I think that in that case the info on Gilmore Girls should be removed as well. But I think both sections could stay, since they seem to be about those two productions from an Alexis Bledel perspective so to speak. Maver1ck 05:53, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

I added that she is multiracial....

Germany is in Europe which means she is also of european descent which means she is multiracial right? correct me if i'm wrong.--Kyla 03:15, 18 August 2005 (UTC)


      • She isn't "multiracial", her mother is Caucasian as well as her father. Over 90% of people from Argentina are Caucasian. A lot of countries in South America are made up completely of descendants of European immigrants. **

Hispanic and Latino is not a race, these terms refer to culture not race. In other words you can't be multiracial if both of your parents are white, last time I checked.--4.250.0.129 14:26, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Sometimes, though, it is counted as a separate race. Technically, people of Spanish origin are Caucasian, but many people from Central and South America (natives) do not qualify as such. Bledel's father being Argentine doesn't make him of a different race. Argentina also has large German, French, and Polish populations, with an immense Italian population. Michael 01:40, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
This is even simpler then all those X-American ones. If you have a source that calls her multiracial or biracial or anything like that, we may call her that. If not, not. Mad Jack 04:27, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Indeed...And further, never have I seen a source refer to her as such. Michael 06:23, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
In a recent TV interview (could be Letterman or Craig Ferguson), she actually said that she was indeed LATINO and that "Latinos come in all different races..."

font changes

According to the first sentence of the Manual of Style:

This Manual of Style has the simple purpose of making things easy to read by following a consistent format

fonts should remain uniform and consistent. Please do not change the font on a particular article just to set the article apart from the rest. If you feel that Times New Roman is a better font for the entire wiki then please either create your own skin or petition Wikipedia to get the default skin to display in this font. Dismas|(talk) 15:36, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

soy el eshe y estoy loco por ti, se que tu hablas español asi que si les esto hay gente que te entrega todo y no lo rechases disculpa que me este desaogando con tigo pero estoy dolido, confundido y no se que estoy haciendo. si de algo te sirve soy de morelia michoacan tq1b

    • Please note that this is the English wiki, and as such I would appreciate it if you'd use English. Or at least if you're going to fake Spanish, fake it good.

Too Many Wiki Links to Gilmore Girls

See: Wikipedia:Make only links relevant to the context#What should not be linked

Not a child actor

Vizcarra, I removed the Child Actor tag again. The only "acting" she did as a child was as an uncredited extra in one movie, according to the sources I've been checking. This does not qualify her as a child actress. Extras in movies are not considered actors, as I understand it, assuming all they do is walk through or sit in a chair in the background of a scene. --24.19.173.27 23:58, 3 February 2006 (UTC) (oops, I am --Xyzzyplugh 00:01, 4 February 2006 (UTC) and somehow managed to not be signed in during that edit)

Her mother's ancestry

Does anyone have a good source for what her maternal ancestry is (and I don't mean the IMDB or any of the websites that copy us - something like an interview would be good)? It seems clear that her mother was born in Mexico to American parents, but I've heard that she is anywhere from German to Irish to French (probably because of her surname, "Dozier") descent. JackO'Lantern 01:38, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I've hear her mother is German and French, but no, I do not have a source. Michael 05:26, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Native language

Is the phrase, "Her native language is Spanish," a bit misleading here? According to the Wikipedia article on the subject of "native language," a person can speak more than one language as a native, provided that the language was learned "without formal instruction, such as through cultural immersion before puberty." Did she grow up in the US? If she learned English while attending grammar school in the US, that would fall under cultural immersion rather than formal instruction. As it now reads, it seems to imply she speaks only Spanish as a native. It would be better to expand the sentence to something along the lines of: "She speaks both Spanish and English fluently, having grown up speaking Spanish at home and English outside of the home." - MarioX19 2006.04.26-12:13GMT.

She grew up speaking Spanish, then learn English when her parents moved to the US, this is why she doesn't speak with a pure American accent.

In a recent interview she said she learned English when she started kindergarten. I would say she grew up speaking English as well. And she sounds pretty American to me. If you learn a language from the age of five and speak it fluently, its HIGHLY unlikely you'd have a foreign accent.

I really don't hear much of what could be perceived as an accent... Michael 05:24, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't either, but maybe she just doesn't have any particular American accent. It's American, but maybe you can't peg it to Texas or California or any other particular state. --Coryma 13:11, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Citation and reference work needed

Much of the information I tagged with the {{citeneeded}} template is information I've run across before (from television interviews, etc). I know much of this information comes from reliable sources. Therefore, I think we should make an effort to find those sources and include them. -- backburner001 16:51, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

There was a reference in a previous version that stated the following (which I tagged with the {{citeneeded}} template):
Until recently she was dating actor Milo Ventimiglia, who played one of her boyfriends, Jess, on Gilmore Girls; they split after a 5 year relationship.
It was then changed to the following:
As far as the public knows (the couple is very private), she is dating actor Milo Ventimiglia, who played one of her boyfriends, Jess, on Gilmore Girls; they began dating in 2002.
I've re-tagged this statement because a citation is still needed for the reference that the two were (or are) dating. The reference stating that they broke up should be included (if true) and cited as well. I've removed the part of the sentence which states: "As far as the public knows (the couple is very private)" for two reasons.
  1. Anything written in Wikipedia, if cited, already reflects what the public knows.
  2. Notions of the couple being very private is a subtle POV statement that needs to be re-written (if included again). -- backburner001 16:23, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
  • the relationship has been written about in various interviews (of both Milo and Alexis) in many teen, women's, and entertainment magazines over the years.....


  • Sigh.... another article full of IMDB citations... As I did for Jena Malone, I'll soon use real sources to cite this article - probably today. Mad Jack 18:28, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Trivia

I erased the new trivia section. It was to long, contained info already in the article and was completely unsourced. Relevant information should be inserted under appropriate heading in the article as prose, not as a list, and should preferably be properly sourced. - Duribald 21:13, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Hispanic

About some recent edits: Alexis is Hispanic. Argentina and Mexico are Hispanic countries, and, more importantly, her first language is Spanish. The Hispanic actors category should therefore stand. However, her ethnicity does not not belong in the info box, where someone tried to put it. -Duribald 06:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Ronbo76 06:39, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Disagree; read my message to User Talk:Ronbo76 called "Hispanics." Acalamari 16:20, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

The rest is a continued discussion from what was originally on Ronbo76's Talk Page.

  • By that meaning then, anyone who is slightly of Hispanic descent could claim to be Hispanic. For someone to be considered Hispanic, European/European-American, or Black, they have to have majority-origin. For someone to say they're White, for example. they would have to be mostly of that origin. If the only White they have in them is from a Grandparent, that doesn't make them White. If Alexis Bledel's racial makeup is 50-50, then she is bi-racial, not Hispanic or White. If her origin is 66-34 (Hispanic higher) that would classify her as Hispanic. Raquel Welch, who you mentioned, I read has an Irish-descent parent, meaning, by her own admission, she is bi-racial. I am not convinced exactly what race Alexis Bledel is, which is why I removed the category. I assure you this is discussion is not out of prejudice, it's because I'm trying to fix what seems to me like a contradiction between two articles. Acalamari 17:38, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Hang on a second...the source for Alexis Bledel's mother being Mexican comes from the IMDb. Jack O'Lantern told me that IMDb sources are unreliable. If so, why is this being used as source? How do we know her mother is Mexican then? This source contradicts what Jack O'Lantern told me. Acalamari 19:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Please see Teen People Online Alexis Bledel. In the paragraph called, HABLA ESPAÑOL, it states: "Alexis's first language is Spanish. Her mom is from Mexico and her dad was born in Argentina." That would make her Hispanic. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Morenooso (talk • contribs) 20:08, 25 January 2007 (UTC).
In that case, why wasn't this used as a source instead? Also, that page says "2002," it is probably out of date. Acalamari 21:07, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Stupid me; people can't change their birthplace. Never mind about the out of date thing. Alexis Bledel's mother won't have changed her birthplace. Acalamari 21:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Since when "hispanic" is a race? Hispanic is a culture, only people from the US think "hispanic" is a race, and they seem to be the only ones who care about who's "hispanic" or not. I'm from Argentina and we'd never describe ourselves as "hispanic". Alexis Bledel is white, just like 90% of Argentine people are. She looks just like any other Argentine. Nat91 20:03, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

She is definitely not white. Hispanic is used as a more inclusive term of mixed races. In this case, Alexis is of Mexican and Argentinian races; hence, the term Hispanic is used. Ronbo76 20:12, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Mexican and Argentinian races? Look, you're from the US so you seem to have a US-point of view about this. "Hispanic" is a culture that means "from Spain", it's not a race. I'm from Argentina of European descent, so I'm white. I have no knowledge of "hispanic" being a race. How would my country handle demographics then if we were all of "hispanic race"? Nat91 20:28, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
It also depends what group of Mexicans Alexis Bledel's mother comes from. If her mother is from the white minority (which is roughly 9% of Mexico's population), then her mother isn't Hispanic (being a white, black, or Asian born in a Spanish-speaking country doesn't make someone Hispanic. It's their ancestry that counts). If her mother comes from the remaining 89% of the population, then I agree that her mother is Hispanic. Acalamari 19:46, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
White Mexicans are just as Hispanic as any other group.. Hispanic, as has been explained over and over again is a cultural/linguistic category, not a racial one. Spanish people are Hispanic - and white. Argentinians are Hispanics - and white. Uruguayans are Hispanic - and white. -Duribald 19:54, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Nat91 is right. Hispanic is NOT a race. It is a cultural and linguistic category, refering to Spanish-speaking cultures and people from those cultures. Most Hispanics in the USA are of a mixed red-white background, which is why many Americans tend to identify it as a look and therefore a race. Hispanics, though, come in all shapes, sizes and colours. Argentinians and Uruguyans are usually white, Bolivians usually red and so on. And, hey, Spanish people tend to be white to, by the way. (Besides - there are no races biologically speaking.) Alexis is Hispanic because her parents are from Hispanic countries and Spanish is her first language. Racially she belongs to the category of cutie pies... ;-) -Duribald 22:26, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

MySpace

Is the MySpace page recently added real? Is there independent confirmation that it's hers? I mean, she's said she doesn't have a computer and doesn't follow any websites about herself. -Duribald 23:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I removed the MySpace page because there is no confirmation that it is Alexis' own creation, which it claims to be. -Duribald 22:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Eye Colour

Are Alexis' eyes naturally that striking blue or does she wear coloured contact lenses like Paris hilton? From photographs I've seen of her, her eyes look a lot less artificial than Hilton's. Nukleoptra 17:58, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I believe Alexis Bledel's eyes are naturally blue. Acalamari 19:46, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
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