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[edit] Factual Error

As of May 28, 2008:

"He is the highest paid NHL player ever, signing a 13-year contract extension worth $124 million with the Capitals, which averages $9.5 million per year, the richest in NHL history."

$9.5 million per year is NOT the richest salary in nhl history. This may just be an awkwardly worded sentence, but it should be removed or altered by a registered user. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.231.20.169 (talk) 02:14, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

While $9.5 million per year is far from the highest salary (Sergei Fedorov was paid $21 million for a year in the late 90's), the $124 million is by far the largest contract. It's all fixed now. Kaiser matias (talk) 05:35, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


As of March 06, 2008:

His hat trick against boston is listed as the fourth of his career when in fact it was his fifth [he had a 4 goal, 1 assist game agains the Montreal Canadiens resulting in a 5-4 Washington victory while this game is acknowlesged in the article the author has forgotten to count it as a hat trick thus the Ottawa game is listed as his 3rd, the montreal game is skipped and the boston game is counted as a 4th. when it should be: Ottawa game -- 3rd hat trick, Montreal game - 4th hat trick, Boston game - 5th hat trick]

[edit] Removed Sections

"You added Svatos as a rival, but not Phaneuf? Prucha? Say something along the lines of '...his fellow rookies Dion Phaneuf and Sidney Crosby. Rivals Petr Prucha and Marek Svatos were injured midway through the season, effectively removing them from the rookie race.' -Earthhuman


"His parents say they knew he would be an athlete when Alexander chose to run up the steps to their apartment rather than take the elevator." Who cares he has sweet dangles

That's an awful example- Even I run up the stairs, and I'm no athelete. I deleted it. -Earthhuman


  • Other Rookies*

I don't think that Crosby was O's only rookie rival this year, so I added Svatos' name to a sentence. cheater 16:48, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

The number of images here went beyond fair use. We can only claim [[fair use] if an image is really required for the article. I've reduced the images to only four. These four I will claim as fair use. Please don't reinstate the other images without providing evidence of their copyright status — Zeimusu | Talk 01:01, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I was told to take this to the discussion page, so here you go:

I still have serious legal doubts: it obviously comes from television footage, and there's usually a warning that any broadcast, redistribution, et cetera is prohibited without express written consent. But I couldn't find that in writing anywhere, so I'll just let it be an open question for now (I used the same copyright tag as the last guy, but I'm very skeptical. I'd say it's more fair-use than anything).

However, the "Sidney who?" is a pretty blatant shot at Sidney Crosby. While I agree in sentiment, it's kind of cheap and sophomoric and really has no place here, especially given the rigid point-of-view stance. I replaced it with another image to improve the NPOV side of things.

I really don't mean to come off as anal as I probably am -- hell, I love the kid -- but when something as blatant as that pops up, it's kind of hard not to edit it out. I hope that the new image is a happy medium (it's better, anyway) and if it is legally sketchy, Wikipedia will probably take it down anyway. --Ed's Babe 23:00, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I loaded the original image, however I did not create it, it was sent to me in an email. As for the "Sidney Who", I didn't even notice it until after someone pointed it out and pulled it off -- lesson of the day: watch the entire GIF closely before loading.  :-)

Scott930 | Talk 02:35, 20 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Nothing personal: just fixed the POV. Further on the legal front: I noticed that you got a copyright warning for the original image, so I just sent off a request to foxsports.com. With any luck, we'll get comfirmation one way or another (leave it up or take it down) soon. It's a bit of a crapshoot, but it's better than a 100% chance of being removed (if we just left it to the administrators). If that doesn't work, I can try Comcast SportsNet because there's no way to tell where the feed came from: it's not trying to buck the system; it could honestly be either team's broadcast. I'll drop a message here when I hear back from FSN.

P.S.: I was at last night's game: two more points for Ovy and for the Caps!--Ed's Babe 21:19, 20 January 2006 (UTC)


Under the "Washington Capitals" segment, it says "On January 31, 2008, he had another 5-point performance (4 goals, 1 assist) in a 5-4 overtime victory against the Montreal Canadiens." As far as I know, Jan 2008 hasn't even happened yet. I think this should be 2007. (Last day of 2007, understandable) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spearman77 (talk • contribs) 08:14, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Um, January 31, 2008 happened 4 months ago. --SmashvilleBONK! 16:08, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] No response from Fox

It's been two and a half weeks since I e-mailed my copyright request to Fox Sports about the image and I haven't gotten a response. I take this to mean that either:

  1. They're okay with it;
  2. They don't care enough to bother;
  3. They're blowing us off entirely;
  4. They're caught up in red tape because the regional Arizona FSN and Comcast Sportsnet both aired the game, and it might have to go to the NHL for review, and they could do any of 1-3, or
  5. They're in the midst of weeks of intense deliberations about whether an animated .gif of Alexander Ovechkin may be used on a Web site.

Whatever it is, I'm taking it as a "yes" until/unless I hear otherwise. Number four is extremely unlikely since I'd have received an e-mail saying that they're checking on it. Again, I'm taking the two and a half weeks without even a form letter as a signal that they don't care. We should be good to go. Ed's Babe 06:42, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Being as it is a highly profitible video clip, it is unlikely they would let anyone host it without paying, and as such there is no way we can claim fair use. ed g2s • talk 19:05, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Translation issue?

In the second paragraph, it states that as a child, Ovechkin "threw all his toys." Where is this quote coming from? If it's from his Russophone parents, we're dealing with an idiomatic word (бросил все свои игрушки) that translates better as "dropped" than "threw." In a sense, what I think they're trying to say is that he abandoned playing with toys in favor of watching hockey games on TV. --IvanP/(болтай) 22:21, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

I'm going to seriously clean up the links in a few days, there are way too many. Per WP:EL ccwaters 15:02, 26 March 2006 (UTC)


I edited the non essential links, and if you want, you can go through the others and edit those. Sod Aries 19:16, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alexander Ovechkin's stats

It seemed to me that someone either

a) Added fake stats to the stat section b) It hasn't been updated in awhile. It said he played 69 games, but only had 12 goals and 8 assists. I edited it to reflect the 72 game, 48 goal, 47 assists, and 48 Penalty minutes. Please don't change this as it is just... idiotic.Sod Aries 19:08, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wow.. Alex's Parents?

"Alexander's parents own a gay/lesbian night club to which he frequently attends."

That statement reeks. It may be a fact, but the comment towards 'frequenting' a gay/lesbian bar could be toned a bit. I will edit it to what it should say.Sod Aries 19:09, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Post Sript- I edited it again to reflect a more politically correct definition. It is *still* a little blatant, but it will have to do until someone sees to it.

It was most likely vandalism since it wasn't sourced and Google doesn't have any information about it. On April 5, another editor removed that comment for that reason. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 02:15, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nickname

Alexander the Great, Alexander the Eight, A.O. OV-1 and 8 Train? 5 nicknames? As far as I know CCM had a competition for Ovechkin's official nickname, the winning contribution was "Alexander the GR8". Even though I hate that nickname it should be in the infobox, and IMO the Alexander the Great should be there too. But there is no use for the other 4 nicknames, where one is a abbreviation and the other is his initials. I know many people just write AO or ovy but I still wouldn't call them nicknames. --Krm500 12:24, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The goal animated GIF

First off, let me say I'm a big fan of Ovechkin. I think he is the most exciting player in hockey right now, and I can't wait to see all the great things he will do in the next 20 years. But, I have a few questions and comments about the animated GIF image of his goal against Phoenix:

  • Why is it titled "The Goal"? There's no mention of it being called this in the article. If it has been called "The Goal," we need a reference in the text.
  • There's no doubt this is a great goal, but why is it on Wikipedia? Most, if not everyone, who is a hockey fan has already seen it. This animated GIF makes this page look more like a fan-page than an encyclopedia.
  • I don't understand the fair-use rationale for this image. On its page, the claim is made that "This is a historic event." I would consider an assassination of a president, war being declared, a record-breaking sports performance, an enourmous charitable donation, and many other events "historic," but not this.
  • This image is 1.1 megabytes in size. Worldwide, many use Wikipedia with a low-speed connection. I think this image is too large, especially because its importance is questionable.

--Muéro 17:11, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Well here i saw it for the first time and that was for sure the greatest thing ive ever seen in hockey. I think its really important and awesome thing to have in an encyclopedia. It shouldnt be removed from this page in my opinion. Shur4 18:43, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Hockey fans and media regularly refer to this goal as "The Goal." In the article (next to the GIF), it is described in detail. I added a reference to the term "The Goal." I think that does the trick, and I do think the GIF should stay. -- mmiller20910

lol Jaskaramdeep 22:32, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I specifically came to this page looking for that gif or a related video of exactly that. I can't imagine the picture not being in an article on him. Nwarner79 04:44, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I personally think it was the luckiest goal in NHL history.  burgz  (Talk)  09:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

For the last time, Wikipedia NOT a place for personal opinions. --Krm500 12:23, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

—There seems to be a lot of personal opinions on talk pages...

The .gif should be kept. This is exactly what a multimedia encyclopedia is for. In fact, it was even cited in a NYT article [1]--Yeti4979 (talk) 21:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

we need to keep the gif. its significance will become plain as time passes. a notable episode in the career of an nhl hall-of-famer.Toyokuni3 (talk) 05:17, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] alexander-ovechkin.info

Capitals web page has interesting information on the historical significance of Ovie's 2007-08 record-breaking season. Here's the link:

http://capitals.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=359439

and the text: Ovechkin is the first Capitals player to win the Art Ross Trophy, presented annually to the league’s leading scorer. The 22-year-old native of Moscow is also the first Russian-born player to win the Art Ross. Ovechkin finished the season with 112 points (65 goals, 47 assists) while playing all 82 games, leading the Capitals to their first playoff appearance since 2003.

Ovechkin’s 65 goals led the NHL by 13 goals, making him the first Capital to win the Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy since the award was established in 1999. Ovechkin is the second Capital to lead the league in goals, joining Peter Bondra (1994-95 and shared the lead in 1997-98). Ovechkin set the single-season record for goals by a left wing and became the first player since 1996 to score more than 60 goals in a season. He is just the 12th player in history to score at least 65 goals. Ovechkin scored 13 more goals than runner-up Ilya Kovalchuk of the Atlanta Thrashers; only Pavel Bure (14 goals in 1999-00) has led the league by that many goals in the past 15 years.

Ovechkin becomes just the sixth player in the last 35 seasons to lead the league in both points and goals, the first since Jarome Iginla in 2001-02. Wayne Gretzky, Mario Lemieux, Phil Esposito, Guy Lafleur and Iginla combined to lead the league in both points and goals 11 times in the last 35 seasons; nine of those 11 years that player also won the Hart Memorial Trophy as the NHL’s most valuable player. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.251.87.214 (talk) 18:58, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


Text on the main page - Who is right? Copyvio?

[edit] One of the greatest?

"He is considered to be one of the greatest professional hockey players of all time."

Please, that's a little premature. Also, I don't think a lot of people would share that view quite yet. He is on his way for sure, but he isn't in that league right now.

[edit] Pronunciation?

Maybe we could throw in a pronunciation of his last name since they may be some people out there who unsure (myself included).

Finished. T Rex | talk 07:35, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
You speak Russian with a thick American accent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.198.202.5 (talk) 17:57, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Well considering he does live in the US and plays hockey for a US team it makes sense that this is how most Americans pronounce his name. T Rex | talk 19:00, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Sure but what's the point then ? Some readers might be misled into thinking that's the Russian pronunciation. Compare with Teemu Selänne, Martin Brodeur, Cristobal Huet, Jiří Šlégr, Antero Niittymäki, Václav Varaďa, Milan Michálek and others : the IPA pronunciation is given in the person's native tongue, not in its americanized form. 86.198.202.5 19:49, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
So then add one for Russian. T Rex | talk 20:50, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ovechkin and Rammstein

There has been an unsourced statement in the Trivia section for a while now saying that Alex listens to Rammstein before games. Unless his musical tastes have changed, he prefers lighter music than Rammstein, per this interview. WashingtonCaps.com says that he likes to listen to techno and hip-hop, and various articles I've read on news sites confirm that. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 21:25, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article about Ovechkin

Here's a new article about Ovechkin with some good quotations by him and about him. I'm not sure what to use from it, so I'm putting the link here so other editors can use it. --Muéro(talk/c) 19:27, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Here are a few more:


Enjoy.-Wafulz (talk) 05:04, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sixth paragraph.

"Because he has studied at the Military Institute for Border Guards, he apparently does not have to serve in the military in Russia. Military duty is supposed to be "compulsory" in Russia, but it is so in name only and is enforced selectively rather than uniformly; for instance, young Russian star Ilya Kovalchuk has never served in the military, while Ukrainian -born Nikolai Zherdev was forced to go to arbitration court in Switzerland because Russian authorities claimed he had to serve in the military. Apparently Ovechkin will not have to face these circumstances."


*Seems a little angry to me. - Pseudolife (talk) 03:52, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

what's the fuss? in case you aren't old enough to remember the draft, or aren't from the u.s., the sons of the wealthy and influential usually didn't have to serve, or served in the natonal guard.i don't remember meeting many big time athletes in nam either.es ist immer so.Toyokuni3 (talk) 15:35, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I've removed most of the paragraph because this isn't the place to discuss that issue.-Wafulz (talk) 22:55, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] keep up

i believe Ovie is the first Russian-born player to win the scoring title/Art Ross trophy. This should be added, no? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.251.87.214 (talk) 18:52, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


someone keep up w/ his goals, its now at 64 as of 4/3/08! 71.246.81.124 (talk) 23:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely not, statistic may not be updated during the season. --Krm500 (talk) 00:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

He doesn't hold the team record for most assists by a Washington rookie anymore. Niklas Backstrom broke that record this season, so that particular stat should be edited out. /Mattias —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.243.191.215 (talk) 21:45, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] All-Star Game False Information

Just to get a heads up since I'm still knew to this whole editing thing but not knew to Wikipedia but under Alex Ovechkin's article where it shows his All-Star game stats, the All-Star game in Dallas states that he had 0 goals, 0 assists, and 0 points. He actualy had scored 1 goal, 0 assists, and 1 point in that very game. I have proof of this 1) from nhl.com -----> http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20062007/GS040055.HTM 2) from Wikipedia's own article on the 2007 NHL All-Star Game -----> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_NHL_All-Star_Game and 3) from personal experience because I did watch that game and was of course cheering on my favorite athlete from my favorite hockey team! :)

Thanks for pointing that out. It seems that I wasn't paying much attention when reading over the all-star stats when I added the table. All fixed up now. Kaiser matias (talk) 22:02, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

The goal is listed now, but shouldn't he has a point also ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.167.56.255 (talk) 16:58, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Done --Muéro(talk/c) 21:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)