Talk:Alexander II of Russia

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[edit] 1880?

Following his wife's death in 1880, Alexander formed a morganatic marriage with his mistress Princess Catherine Dolgoruki. Together they had two sons and two daughters How did they manage to produce 4 children if he died the next year!?!?!--130.184.150.168 20:10, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Their four children were born before the marriage and were thus illegitimate. Their rooms were directly about the rooms of poor Empress Maria Alexandrovna, who, as she lay in her bedroom dying, could hear the playing of her husband's three illegitimate offspring directly above her head. After Maria's death, Alexander was then free to marry his mistress. Morhange 03:59, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Some what boring, but good information. I didn't even know all of his illegitimate children. why would u do an EDIT page...so then stupid kids can go ruin it and put different information/....and those stupid kids would put new info where the old info was an like..change history...and we ppls need to do research

[edit] Moved from article page to here

In the "Assassination" section, it says "On the very day on which this decree was to be signed—March 13, 1881—he fell victim to a Nihilist plot." An anonymous user asked "(What decree? Someone should be more specific. If memory serves, it was to institute a parliment)" I moved the comment here. – Quadell (talk) (help)[[]] 16:40, Nov 28, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] BBC programme

This evening BBC radio 4's In Our Time programme talked at length about Alexander, the emancipation, and his death. I think it would make a worthy exlink from this article. Unfortunately they've not yet added it to their "history archive" page at http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/inourtime/inourtime_history.shtml (it's still the "current" programme). Once they do have a permalink for it, I'll add it as an exlink. -- John Fader 22:27, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Lightening of censorship

In the other reforms section, it should be noted that Alexander lightened the censorship policies that were in place under his predecessor, Nicholas I. This created a forum for public opinion, but with no way of directly affecting national policy, in part led to the formation of the secret groups and revolutionary agitation mentioned. Whitejay251 05:07, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Article Vandalism

Someone intentionally vandalized this article, moderation is needed to restore the article. Request Staff intervention. --Lord Spade 05:42, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

EDIT: I manually restored the article prior to it's vandalism. Someone kindly look into the offensive action...--Lord Spade 05:45, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] March 2 or 3 ? One of these dates is wrong

On Alexander II of Russia#Emancipation of the serfs, the last sentence says On 1861 March 3, the sixth anniversary of his accession, the emancipation law was signed and published. But then the sixth anniversary of his accession should be on March 2, right ? One of these dates is wrong. -- PFHLai 20:32, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Assassin's philosophy

I replaced "Nihilist" with "assassination". There is no evidence that Ignacy Hryniewiecki was was a nihilist. Did Ignacy argue that all actions are essentially worthless or that "God is Dead" or something similar while throwing the bomb? Likely he was a suicide bomber raging against the repressive regime that was trying to extinguish his ethnicity. Arguing that he was a nihilist sounds unduly pro-royalist. Naerhu 05:39, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New box for decendants

Ok, I can see listing all the decendants, even if it is a rather long list, but that box was incredibly huge and disruptive to the article. The picture at the top was blown up to fit the area, but that caused it to be quite a bit out of focus. Also, if this is something that's going to be used for the Romanov house, it would seem to make a lot more sense as a template. If you don't agree, feel free to put it back, but please, at least, please fix the picture and consider how its affecting the article. Thanks. .:.Jareth.:. babelfish 01:10, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Please don't delete it. It took me a long time and it makes it much easier to see who all the descendants and family of the tsars are. Take a look at the articles for the British royals. James5555 02:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)James
Actually, it would be nice to have a box like that, however, please note that the box used in articles on the British Royal Family is smaller, the picture is not blurry or pixelated and it is a template -- which were exactly the concerns I had with the box that you created. Its a great idea, but needs to be tweaked a bit :) Did you know that you can create a sub-page in your userspace so that you can play with things until you get them the way you like? Might help in this case to tweak the image size and things like that. .:.Jareth.:. babelfish 02:58, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page Protected, RfC added.

This page has been protected due to a content dispute on a "box". A Request for comment has been made and a judgment will arrive shortly. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by NightDragon (talk • contribs).

It should be there - if you look at all the articles featuring other royal figures in Europe (British, German, French, Italian etc) they will be there. Why not Russian? James5555 07:32, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Uhm, actually, if you read my comments, I said I thought the box was a good idea, just needed some work to fix it first and then specifically listed the problems I had with it and even pointed out that these were problems that aren't in the British, German etc versions. I've nothing against having a progeny box, but I do have a problem with its current format/style. Would you like to discuss the comments I've been making about the box itself? So far, noone has actually disputed that the box is a good idea ;) .:.Jareth.:. babelfish 08:03, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External comment on the box

I think the issue is not so much as to the pertinence of the box as to its aspect. There are *many* similar boxes already on Wikipedia. However, I must admit that this one, as I see it in this diff is improperly inserted (it should be a template), formatted (see Template:House of Oldenburg (Glucksburg-Greece) and Template:House of Vasa for random examples) and used (It should be on all family member pages anyway). To make matter worse, thetable is full of coding mistakes. I say to you James, the table is a viable addition, IF it is made a template and IF it is made consistent with similar temple (also, it is full of coding mistakes that need fixing anyway)Circeus 02:01, 3 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Date of born

He was born at April 29 no April 17. April 17 is on ortodox calendar. --Jovanvb 07:21, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Change of layout

I tried my best to improve the layout of this article, I hop everyone thinks it looks a little better - most of the photos that were in the article prior to my edit were all clumped together, although they were placed accordingly.

I moved the photo of Alexander and his wife and son, which was in the section marriages and children, because it was throwing off the box.

I added a new photo of Alexander for the info box at the start - I felt if an actual photo exists it should be used.

I added a painting of the coronation.

I saw that every photo save for one that was in the article prior to my edit was of a monument. I kept two in the article and put the other two in a gallery, along with the two "new" photos.

I replaced the photo of the cathedral with a better one from the article on the Cathedral of the Saviour on Spilt Blood (mind you, I wouldnt have replaced it if the photo was only in this article).

--Mrlopez2681 09:25, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Date of Coronation

Why March 2, 1855? Russian sources name this date as date of death of Nicholas I (February 18 OS). Alexander's reign officially started on the next day - March 3 (February 19 OS). Coronation procedure occurred on September 7, 1856 (August 26 OS). And nobody answered PFHLai's question. RamBow 16:19, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

OK, if no one objects I'll try to fix it. As well as other dates in this article - IMO this inaccuracy is really shameful for the article which pretends to be 'historical'. I wonder where the date in the name of Mihàly Ziky's painting was taken - The Hermitage Museum point it unambiguously. RamBow 07:24, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Homosexuality?

Either cite it or lose it. 89.100.15.233 (talk) 15:21, 27 April 2008 (UTC)