Talk:Alcor Life Extension Foundation

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[edit] Policies on sustainment and "thawing"

-The article should mention how funding is managed for sustaining clients and how and when the organization decides to "revitrify" its clients. -74.132.209.231 04:00, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Revitrify? This is the first I have heard of that. (Cardsplayer4life 22:55, 13 July 2006 (UTC))
Perhaps it is possible that it can be specificed on a person to person basis? Aristoi 20:22, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
I think he means "unvitrify" or whatever the real term for that is. Bobtheowl2 03:44, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Controversies

[edit] Genocide Conspiracy?!

Alcor is going to freeze humanity so transhumanists can eat us during their 2020 Martian Landing Barbeque?! We've got to warn people!

[edit] S.I.

-The Sports Illustrated portion doesn't sound very technical or cite what month or article. "some of Williams' DNA was missing", I hope they are not meaning that DNA was removed and now the head is lacking any. Hopefully they mean some quantity of blood or tissue was taken. As for the part about cracking, in the newsletter I get from them that details recent cases cracking/fracturing is unfortunately still common. They even have special microphones "crackphone" to listen for fracturing events that occur below the "glass transition temperature" and then the next line says "Contrary to media reports, fracturing is not a result of mishandling." Bobtheowl2 03:44, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RfC: 71.160.248.79's cryonics edits

Anonymous user 71.160.248.79 tried to revert a reference to a news article suggesting that Alcor personnel had deliberately hastened Ted Williams' death[1], claiming that it's unsupported (which can't seriously be true, since there's a link to the news report). Since 71.160.248.79 has been quite involved in editing pages relating to cryonics, I thought this would be a good time to ask for comments regarding this particular reversion, as well as his other edits on the subject. Bi 10:57, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

The edits and the RfC description (here and on the RFCsci page) are completely unsupported by the article, and patently defamatory. Is it possible that you are acting based on what someone else told you the article said, and did not actually read the article yourself? I can think of no other reason why an erstwhile good editor would make such edits. It is even more remarkable that you would escalate without checking the article. What's going on? 71.160.248.79 20:35, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
The edits made by Bi and this RfC created by Bi do not make much sense. The edit claims that Ted Williams was murdered by lethal injection and the support given for this assertion is a newspaper article referring to the investigation of a 1992 murder allegation (unproven) of an AIDS victim. Ted Williams died in 2002 and he was reputedly cryopreserved by Alcor. There have been many complaints about Ted Williams becoming a cryonics patient, but this is the first time I have heard it claimed that Ted Williams was murdered, or that there was suspicion of murder. Wikipedia should not be used to spread unsupported allegations or misinformation. --GirlForLife 22:15, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
71.160.248.79's `rebuttal' contains no facts whatsoever.
As for GirlForLife: what? You've not heard of the murder suspicion before, so the murder suspicion doesn't exist? My edit didn't say Williams was murdered; it said that Williams was suspected to be murdered. And the suspicion indeed exists. What's wrong with reporting precisely that? Bi 08:46, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I defy you to quote a single line from the news article you cited which says that there is a suspicion that Ted Williams was murdered. Ted Williams and his 2002 death is mentioned, and a description is made of a suspicion of murder in a 1992 AIDS case. You are inventing a suspicion of murder. That is fabricating a rumor, and is unencyclopedic. --GirlForLife 16:46, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I have to concur with GirlForLife here. I went to the cited article, and it doesn't mention anything about Ted Williams being murdered. It is a completely different person they are talking about in that article. (Cardsplayer4life 21:31, 30 August 2007 (UTC))
OK, I've fixed that. Bi 10:50, 2 September 2007 (UTC)