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[edit] Re Azeri language

Regarding your comment here [1], hormetli Alborz, eger sozum sizi injitdise, uzr isteyirem. I just think knowing and fully learning own language or any language is a blessing that should not be prohibited or restricted. Unfortunately, the detractors try to paint a false political picture of anti-Iranism or pan-Turkism over this fundamental right. And you're a bit mistaken about lack of alphabet script for Azeri language, as you know, Shah Ismail Khatai wrote his poems in this language using Arabic script (see publications of it by Minorsky), and it was a court language during Safavid reign. This was 500 years ago. The same script was used by Hassan Zardabi in his first journal "Ekinchi" published in Azerbaijan in 19th century, and modifications to it to better reflect Turkic phonetics were proposed by Mirza Fatali Akhundov. The same Arabic-script based Azeri Turkic, was the official language of the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic in 1918-1920, and was used in official correspondence. The change of script in the republic happened in 1920s from Arabic to Latin, then from Latin to Cyrillic in 1939 under Stalin, and in 1992 back to Latin. The reason for choosing Latin script is not Turkish (in fact, Azerbaijan SSR did switch from Arabic to Latin script before Turkish Republic), it was simply due to Latin script better fitting the Turkic phonetics than Arabic. Atabek 07:08, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Hörmətli Alborz. Ana dilimiz haqda düşüncələrini bölüşdüyün üçün təşəkkür edirəm. Regarding some of your comments on Azerbaijani language, any language is defined by its grammar not vocabulary. In our case, the grammar is Turkic, as a simple example the sentences in Azerbaijani language are not formulated the same way as in Persian, tenses are not the same either. Your concerns are about vocabulary, well let me remind you then that more than half of the words that you cited, and actually a considerable part of Persian vocabulary itself borrows from Arabic. Especially when you say "Ehteraam" , respectfulness in Persian and Arabic, there is one original there - Arabic.
I don't see a problem with that, because we live in the same region, and all neighboring languages borrow from each other. So does Azerbaijani enriched a lot from Arabic and Persian, as did Persian from Arabic and old Turkish, Turkish did from Persian and Arabic, Armenian did from Turkish and Persian, all of the above did from Greek, so what? Does it mean, one language has to reclaim all else especially above other nations? Every nation has its own unique identity, even English-speaking Americans and French-speaking Belgians have their unique identity distinct from English and French respectively.
And name Azerbaijan borrows from Aturpatakan (Atropatena) after Atropat, the Median satrap of Alexander the Great, not from Azerbaygan. Persian authors agree on this as well, as is official historiography of Republic of Azerbaijan, which we studied in school. I believe many of our disagreements are just based on stereotyping or labeling as pan-Turkist everything that remotely tries to identify Azerbaijani. I never had problem with Persians, in fact, have a deep respect to this culture, which enriched ours as well as we, Azeris, contributed a lot to Iranian culture as well. But language rights are a human right, and destruction of it or even worse torturing and jailing people for demanding this right is simply not right, the same as trying to remove references citing such reports. My best regards. Çox sağol. Atabek 15:35, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Alborz jan, thanks again for the note. Let me address your points one-by-one, as I believe there is misunderstanding going on:
  • You say in Republic of Azerbaijan "they compare the Persians to Russians and Iran to USSR because of lack of information and media biases"
  • Majority of people in the Republic are very friendly to Iran because of Iranian Azeris, whom we usually consider our compatriots. Political associations are usually established by political people, and most of those are dissidents from Iran itself.
  • You say: "the self esteem and dignity of our Azeri counterparts suffered a lot in conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan and also in struggle for independent identity for a new country"
  • True to some extent, not so much in the struggle for independence as in the war with Armenia, in which both Russia and Iran informally supported the aggression by the former. Nevertheless, this did not result in general backlash against either country, with which we share generations of friendship.
  • You say: "that prejudice about "torturing and jailing people for demanding language right" (as atabek says)"
  • It's not what Atabek says, it's what Amnesty International says, with many reporters there being Iranian Azeris themselves. Azerbaijanis in the Republic always had a position that Iranian Azeri issues should be resolved by Iranian Azeris themselves, to their own preferences. We can't impose our view on majority, but neither we expect lies, defamation or insult against our common history or identity.
  • You say: "think all of this begin when Dacy reacted in an unfriendly manner in Iranian Azerbaijan history and threatened to get it to the arbcom"
  • No, the whole issue started when User:Hajji Piruz (formerly User:Azerbaijani), to whose edits some of you were reverting, started intimidating me by editing my user page without permission and then clearly stating his goal that he wants go get me banned [2] and he did the same type of baiting with Dacy69 right before me. Then he was reverting and wikistalking me on every single page (does so up to now), not assuming good faith [3], then filing RfC [4] against myself to cover up his objective to disrupt me, and finally trying to push me into ArbCom, to which you're a party too, thinking that he can get me banned here because of previous Armenia-Azerbaijan ArbCom. Surprisingly User:Houshyar, User:Ariana310, and now confirmed banned socks User:Behmod and User:Pam55, as well as numerous confirmed socks of User:Tajik reappeared on Azerbaijan and Iran-related pages, helping out User:Hajji Piruz with his POV and OR pushing and 1RR per week restriction. The first two users, do so up to now at Qajar dynasty and Safavid dynasty, just reverting without discussion or review, often even reverting grammatical corrections. And out of all these, you sadly noticed only Dacy69's ArbCom request, which was done actually few days after User:Hajji Piruz provocation. I am open to discussions, and I hope we can put our (and I mean all editors') disagreements behind us. As I said, there is plenty of stereotyping going on. Çox sağol.Atabek 18:48, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


[edit] your remark

Could you elaborate on your comment on my page. Whio is negative? Who wanted to delete multisourced information and did it actually? Who threatened with revenge (saying what situation with talysh, kurds etc. - anyway, I don't mind to put information about human rights situation in the Republic of Azerbaijan). Who said that Azerbaijani literature is not sophisticated? Is it? Maybe Canadian or Slovenian litearture old and more sophisticated than Azerbaijani? What is scale of merit? Menin sene yazigim gelir ona gore ki, sen oz tarixinden, kokunden, edebiyyatdan xebersiszen.--Dacy69 19:45, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I dont have tension with Ahwaz at all. I support Awhaz edit. Bu mubayise Ahwaz ve men bir terefden ve Iran milletchileri diger terefden ve sen de olara yardim edirsen. Sagol, gardash.

[edit] Hello

Regarding your comments here: [5]

Please tell me what corrections I need to make to the previous version and I'll fix it up. Thanks for your insight.Hajji Piruz 15:32, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I want the Grandmaster himself correct it. If he didn't do that, I will do it myself or ask you to change it. That's interesting that all of the genetic studies say the same thing and that's the role of the local gene treasure over immigrant genes: That's a natural reality. In the old ages the transport equipments where inefficient and the great migrations where impossible, plus there where no food for the huge population of the immigrants. The mobile tribes on the back of the horses could not bring their wives and that means the mixture with the local population was unavoidable plus that , there was local technology of food gathering and the immunity to local diseases like Malaria and Measles...--Alborz Fallah 15:56, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes, your right. Feel free to make the additions that you think is necessary.Hajji Piruz 17:14, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Independent Khanates

Why not, send me the articles to review. Atabek 20:09, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

And what's the purpose of this material on the page about khanates? Does it establish some kind of a fact? Atabek 19:19, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for fixing the Tabriz article, lets hope that our IP friend is also happy VartanM 06:01, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Image:Javad Khan to Tsitsianov page1 Small.jpg

Which script is that? I ask because you may be interested in contributing the basis work to an appropriate Wikisource, the image itself should be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons so that other WMF project can make use of the image Sfan00 IMG (talk) 17:12, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. :)
I mentioned Wikisource (www.wikisource.org) because it is trying to collect and record original texts, letters and speeches which have entered the public domain(i.e which are no longer copyright). The document you uploaded would certainly be within that project's scope. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 17:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fazeri

Thanks for your comment. I didn't make any assumptions about you personally, so I don't why you left a comment on my talk page saying: "I know you may have the prejudice that I'm one of those assimilated Azeris". Did I ever express such thought against you? The pattern of assimilation is obvious in general from remote observations of the whole region. Moreover, Fakhteh Zamani is Canadian of Iranian origin, don't know why you would link her to "Iranian-American asylum seekers". These are human rights issues and shall be treated in that context, loss of linguistic identity via assimilation is a loss to Iranian culture in first place, so I am not sure why your choice is to concentrate on other, irrelevant details or personalities. Atabek (talk) 17:03, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Award

The Original Barnstar
I award you this Barnstar for your excellent contributions to Iran related topics. Also your excellent work on diverse range of topics from Iranian folklore to Garshasp! Happy Nawruz, Nawruzetan Farkhondeh Baad, Khoda Hamraahetaan and may you prosper. alidoostzadeh (talk) 03:14, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] About Razmi's Picture

Thanks for your reminder. I have added the rationale on the picture's page.Heja Helweda (talk) 00:00, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please read the paper carefully

Hi,

The following paragraph that you insist on inserting in the article, is not found in the provided source. I would be glad if you point out the exact page where the author made such a claim. The source provided here is Are Kurds a Pariah minority by Michael Rubin which is not an advocate of Kurds anyway, and you can find his numerous articles written against KRG on the web but I looked hard for the following paragraph and I could not find it in the aforementioned article.

While other sources state that "most of the freedoms Turkish Kurds have been eager to spill blood over have been available in Iran for years; Iran constitutionally recognizes the Kurds' language and minority ethnic status, and there is no taboo against speaking Kurdish in public."

If you search for parts of the above paragraph, the only source that comes up is [6], an article from Slate, a partisan political website which is neither reliable nor NPOV, since it is written in the context of US-Iran political disputes. I prefer scholarly peer-reviewed academic journals, not some partisan source. If you have such a source, I would be more than happy to agree to including it in the article. Cheers!Heja Helweda (talk) 03:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] About Your Reverts and Edit war

The whole issue is the source you are referring to is neither academic nor reliable rather a partisan leftist argument which is not accepted beyond the fringes of anti-war movement who are desperately looking for any cheap excuse for appeasement of Middle Eastern tyrannies. Bring good sources from academic publications and peer-reviewed journals, then I will accept them no matter which side they support.Heja Helweda (talk) 05:29, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Anti-Iranian sentiment edits

While I appreciate the rather innovative edits adding the Joker into the article, I think the caption for the image is a bit long. In fact, i would submit that you should choose either the image (which details the text), or the caption; using both is redundant, and makes the image ripe for removal from the article. I would suggest that you find a very good source that relates the text as being anti-Iranian sentiment (your own personal synthesis cannot be used here). Towards that end, I am going toremove the image to the discussion page for further citation. We can certainly discuss the matter. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 17:56, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] =Ardalan Principality

Hi; I did a research through google books and realized the term principality is actually the one used most as a reference to political structure of the dynasty. I would suggest to choose the word principality. Thanks. Sharishirin (talk) 23:16, 31 May 2008 (UTC)