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[edit] Welcome!

Hey Albinomonkey - if no one has done so already, let me welcome you to Wikipedia. You may be interested in Wikipedia:How to edit a page and Wikipedia:Manual of Style. You can sign your username and timestamp on talk pages and whatnot with four tildes: ~~~~.

Thanks a lot for finishing my 2004 Monaco Grand Prix summary, which I had entirely forgotten about. You may have noticed that it's now almost the only F1 race with a full summary, but they may all have one eventually. I'm an F1 geek myself - see my userpage, User:Rdsmith4.

Glad to have you, and be bold!

Ðåñηÿßôý | Talk 04:07, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Formula One

WikiProject Formula One This article is part of WikiProject Formula One, an attempt to improve and standardize articles related to Formula One, including drivers, teams and constructors, events and history. Feel free to join the project and help with any of the tasks or consult the project page for further information.
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Albinomonkey - I noticed you have previously edited a number of Formula One-related pages. I've started a WikiProject on F1 and I thought you might be interested in participating. Thanks! — Ðåñηÿßôý | Talk 20:58, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] A-League article

Thanks for the message you left at my Talk page...I've looked at your A-League article, and I reckon it's not too shabby. I called the page the "Hyundai A-League", on the premise that if the sponsorship or the league name changes, you could do a re-direct to a new page. Anyway...I reckon the following changes could be made (you could do them, or I will on the weekend):

  • The "owners" are the chairmen of the clubs...
  • Mention of sponsorship and broadcast rights
  • Stadiums have been confirmed...the team data could be added a table

Apart from that it's fine. If you make the changes, or someone else does, I'll turn my page into a re-direct page, pointing to yours. If you think we're on the right path, then let me know. Cheers, BigDan

Hiya there.. just dropping you a line to say that I think your A-League article is more than good enough to move into the main article space! Oh, and to say that I for one can't wait for the League to kick off! —Stormie 01:30, Nov 7, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket - Infobox

Squash and I have both made infoboxes as well, mine based on his. They are not yet in template form (I thought it better to wait for design suggestions before going into that process), but you could have a look at them, tell us what you think. I have tried to keep the information on mine as concise as possible (i.e. I have not included strike rates or economy rate). Squash's version My version. My main criticism of yours (and it is minor - yours looks good and the data is arranged logically) is the amount of the window it takes up. Thanks Smoddy | Talk 11:23, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Yes I had seen Infobox Cricketer - it was my good self who created it. Thanks for the tip, though, and the compliment! Yours was an excellent place to start, so much gratitude there. Happy Christmas! Smoddy | Talk 22:53, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

i did not upload the warne picture. i just noticed that it had problems. Xtra 02:23, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] George W. Bush

All this vandalism is giving me a headache. Sorry if my edit seemed like I was saying yours was vandalism - but you accidently reverted to my version, which i didn't realise was a revert to a different vandalised version. I hope it all straightens out now... AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 06:06, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Not at all, sorry about reverting you and keep up the good work! --fvw* 06:07, 2005 Jan 30 (UTC)

[edit] Tiago Monteiro

Great work on the Tiago Monteiro - you've very quickly added a great deal of info about him. Nicely done. violet/riga (t) 18:35, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cricket images

Hi. Re the pictures you left [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket#Images|here]. If you want, email them to me, and I'll host them on my server. Cheers, Smoddy (t) (e) (c) 13:32, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Return of the Untagged Image project

You were kind enough to contribute to the Wikipedia:Untagged images project; I beg to draw your attention to part 2 of the project - there are about 12,000 more images in need of tagging. Any assistance you could provide would be most welcome. thanks --Tagishsimon (talk)

[edit] F1 constructor standings sandbox

Check out my experimental F1 "sandbox". - Bill 29 Mar 2005

I've shortened it both vertically and horizontally; hopefully it fits better on your screen now. Bill 30 Mar 2005

[edit] Cricket images

Do you still have the cricket images? The external link is still not up and I would like to use add the images to wikipedia. Would you mail me the images? I'll enhance them and upload them after I stich some of them. email me @gmail.com user id: nichalp.  =Nichalp (talk • contribs)= 20:17, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)

do one thing, could you mail me thumbnail sized images of abt 20-40kb each? I'd like to see them.  =Nichalp (talk • contribs)=

[edit] A1 Wikipedia Project

Just wondering if you wanted to co-create a Wikipedia Project for A1 GP, last couple days the pair of us have seemed to grow the A1 Grand Prix page. If you'd like to co-create a porject for it, get back to me...talk to you soon, --Gazzareth 03:01, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Yeh, I'd definitely be interested. I was thinking of doing this but waiting till I had a bit of time. Sounds, good - I'll help you get it started. AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 03:24, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Ok kool, might sound a bit dumb here, but i am only new to Wikipedia, how do you start a Wikipedia Project, any processes you have to go through? --Gazzareth --Talk
Hmmm - I started one a while ago and there was a very helpful page which lists the steps to make one... But I can't find it now, which is a bit frustrating! I'm a member of Wikipedia: WikiProject Formula One, which I think is well set out. But from what I remember, you create a page in the Wikipedia namespace (in our case, create the page Wikipedia: WikiProject A1 Grand Prix), then on the page, you basically start with a brief description of the project and what the goals are (eg to keep up to date, consistent info on A1 Grand Prix series)... Then put a place for members to sign up, a heading for Infoboxes and Templates (which we obviously do not have yet), and make a short "to-Do" list. You'll want to add it to Category: WikiProjects, and the list at Wikipedia: WikiProject. Have a look at Wikipedia: WikiProject best practices, which is the best help page I could find. Then probably just leave messages on peoples talk pages - probably best to start with those who have already contributed to the A1 Grand Prix page, and it will probably (hopefully) grow from there. I'll help out once you've decided when you want to start. Hope that helps.. AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 13:19, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Moving Sauber

Hi Albinomonkey, I moved Sauber to Sauber Petronas because I figured that it was proper for the article to be on the one with the full name (or at least the most popular name) whereas Sauber could also refer to Peter Sauber. I'd rather use the most common name that people know, but if redirection poses to be a hassle, I would not object to having it reverted back to Sauber for the sake of convenience. Thanks and regards. --Andylkl (talk) 13:01, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Mind Benders

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[edit] Wikipedia:Mind Benders

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[edit] Michael Schumacher

I decided the NPOV tag had been on this page for too long, as such I've edited it to the best of my ability to conform to Wikipedia's NPOV policy. As you have declared an interest here I wonder if you could review the section and raise any objections you may have to the new version. Thanks, Mark83 17:03, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me. I too believe at I am coming to the article unbiased, it's just such a difficult balancing act due to the enormous amount of comment these incidents have attracted over the years. Overall though I think it could be natural to view the section as biased against Schumacher simply by the presence of allegations, nevertheless I think any balanced commentary of his career must recognise these allegations (whether they are well founded or not). Having said that I never expected my new version to be perfect and welcome any NPOV revisions or suggestions.
I didn't include this as its POV but just for interest when researching the incidents I came across a M.Schumacher tribute site. The author (a self confessed Schumacher fan) said he honestly believed '94 was a genuine accident but '97 was a blatant attempt to take Villeneuve off and that the 1994 incident received undue attention due to revisionism, i.e. commentators equating the two when looking back.
Regarding "discrete" team orders; yes it isn't really Schumacher specific, but I just included it because Ross Brawn said it after the FIA banned team orders (I think his words were something like it will just go "underground") — perhaps more at home at Scuderia Ferrari. I also thought the emphasis that all teams can practice team orders when it suits them balances the ==Team Orders== section. Mark83 12:09, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Renault Sport

Just a small thing, to link a Formula One related article to Renault Sport (RST) isn't correct. Quoting from Renault's annual report: "Renault Sport Technologies is active in...motor sport activities other than Formula 1". Renault F1 is a separate part of the group. Cheers, Mark83 13:52, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] /GP updates

Say, I like what you've been doing with the GP updates effort to standardize the race reports! Since you started this, do you mind if I help out, and edit your page to reflect said progress? (I don't see the point in duplicating efforts, but at the same time, it is your name space, and I would think it rude to edit without permission) lemme know, and keep up the great work! -slowpokeiv 14:59, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Hiya. Just wanted to thank you for supporting my recent RfA. Cheers! --Ngb 19:18, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] AFL

Hi, I'm an Austrlian sports freak too and I was just wondering do also follow AFL? Some of the AFL articles need some fixing. DaGizza

[edit] Table namespace

User:Omegatron/Tablenamespacespam — Omegatron 01:06, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] WP:MIND 22:06, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Finals systems

I've noticed you've done a bit of work on the finals systems, particularly the NRL's final 8. Do you have any time to clean up these articles and maybe start standardising the articles on finals? I think that an article about finals in general, maybe linking to the individual systems would be good. It could be called simply Finals systems or Play-off systems or something like that. I don't really know, but I think that outside Australia and some countries that have been sportingly influenced by Australia, the various final systems are unknown. Most countries just seem to use straight knockout systems if any at all, so some people might be surprised to find other ways. --ThirdEdition 03:06, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] 2005 USA-Race

DNS stands for when a car does not take a a race start. Makes sense. By having Ret listed that mean the driver has actually started in that race and will count a race starts towards the driver race start tally.. The formation lap does not count as a lap at all as it is not added towards the race classification. For when does a driver 'start' a Grand Prix? To my mind he does so only if he is on the grid when the flag drops or light goes green at the final start. Should a driver have failed to compete the formation lap, for instance (as was the case with Prost at Imola in 1991), he cannot truly be said to have started the race. In the case of restarted events such as the British GP in 1986, poor Jacques Laffite certainly did start the race, but this was declared null and void and he was not presented to take the restart, which is the only one that counts. For true official race results is best to get them off www.forix.com as they receive their race results from the officials. Yes I know formula1.com is official but not 100% official in statistics. If you decide to leave it as Ret then you must give all the drivers a race start count!

I have spend hours in researching and asking many F1 statistician who are famous and know more on Grand Prix. All the statisian I have contacted and got back told me it is actually DNS not Ret, they also have mention the formula1.com is not very accurate with their race results. The formula1.com is incorrect as listing as ret instead of DNS for 2005-USA. This were the responses from the following people. Renowned F1 statistians, like David Hayhoe or Autosport's Peter Higham agree that all Michelin drivers were DNS in 2005-USA, but consider a RET if a driver didn't made a re-start, for example. That was the common view in the past - no contemporary source listed Lauda as a DNS in 1976-Germany - and they simply ignore the current "null and void" FIA rule. I totally agree to change it as DNS not Ret as they didn't take part on the first lap.

Here is a intersting fact. Button will start his 100th race start in the 2005-China race. But according to wikipedia when doing the math by adding all Button race starts it would be his 101st race start in China as Button has been listed as Ret instead of DNS for this year 2005-USA race. Does this make sense to you. That means wikipedia will have an extra race start for all the drivers who have no started in the 2005 USA race have an extra race start which wouldn't be official to the drivers stats.

I am trying to help you all to have accurate data on Formula 1 on wikipedia. I DO beleive the formula1.com site doesn't not give out accurate race classifications. As I have been involved with FORIX and autosport.com for many years as my job is to look for incorrect data on their server. Andreas 04 October 09:36

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[edit] NSWRL/ARL/SL/NRL premiers

In reply to your message:

hi mate, I was thinking of making a comprehensive list of the top-grade rugby league premiers in Australia, but I wasn't sure what title it should have since the comps have had different names... I thought List of Australian rugby league premiers was most appropriate, but might be a bit misleading thanks to the Australian Rugby League.

You ask a complicated question! I was going to suggest that it would perhaps be better kept as a subtopic of the Rugby league in Australia article. This seems most appropriate. It would go under the heading of "top tier premiers" or "1st grade premiers". However, its relevance in this article is question when one brings up the topic of the NZ Warriors. Perhaps the best idea is to not create one list. But to link the documents together where this information can already be found, I.e. you'd link the NRL article to the ARL article and it to the NSWRL article. More then that, you'd link the sections of the articles to the other relevant sections and make sure those sections are titled consistently.

Notes:

  • Make the links big and flash. Perhaps a table of some light colour. Make the links consistent on all pages.
  • A list of article is somewhat in appropriate also because it means that both the NRL article and your list will have to be kept up to scratch.

On that last note, if you want to still go a-head with your list, do so, but turn the relevant sections from NSWRL,ARL,NRL articles into templates. So that in all the articles they can be templates and thus only one change is required when updating them! Although I'm not sure if this is desirable because people may modify the templates thinking their only used on your list of page, which then may make them not work with the original articles... *sigh* this turned out a little long!

Lastly, if you decide to go with your list, with or with out the template idea then a good name maybe...

List of Australasian first grade rugby league premiers - although its a bit long.

POds 09:25, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re: subst:Template:A1GP race summary

Say, not that I really have a problem with it, but I'm kinda wondering why you're removing the template from the A1GP race reports? (especially after you put so much work into them...) I personally liked the idea, that is, the keeping of a constant format and look for each page. -slowpokeiv 18:04, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "bad F1 templates"

gday - i stumbled across your comment on User talk:Snowspinner that Template:F1 season link and Template:F1sl are "bad F1 templates". They are designed to reduce workload (eg in this i'm working on, where I have to constantly link to F1 season pages) and are used as a subst: so people can understand easier when editing in the future and to reduce "server loading" since it is used so many times. just wondering why they are "bad", and if there is a better/more correct way that i should be doing it. thanks AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 08:19, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I suppose mostly because the Template space is cluttered with undocumented and unused templates like this that do little more than structure a few characters of wikitext. It's much better to teach people to use straight wikitext than templates. If these describe some sort of standard notation, document the notation itself on your WP:F1 project page and provide "copy-and-paste" code for your editors. -- Netoholic @ 08:22, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

thanks for the (incredibly) quick reply! fair enough... is it ok to leave them there till im finished the list of drivers, because they speed it up a significant amount.. AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 08:24, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

No problem, let me know if I can help further. I don't think it's a problem for you to keep them for a while during your current effort. Keep the talk pages updated so we know how and where they are used. -- Netoholic @ 08:28, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Also keep in mind that one can subst in content from anywhere - it doesn't have to be in the template namespace. You could do {{subst:User:Albinomonkey/F1sl}}, for example. —Matthew Brown (T:C) 09:15, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
I believe it should, but I've never tried that part. —Matthew Brown (T:C) 17:43, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] List of Formula One World Champions

Due to some health reasons (which I am now investigating) my bot couldn't clear out the "Whatlinkshere" as promised on the Help desk.

However, what I have done is go through and fix the "Whatlinkshere" for List of Formula One World Champions to point to either List of Formula One World Constructors' Champions or List of Formula One World Drivers' Champions as you desired.

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These are links which I descided to leave pointing to List of Formula One World Champions, but you may disagree.

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[edit] WikiProject AFL

G'day mate. There seems to be a lack of awareness on the new project WikiProject AFL. I have single-handedly got this project up and running, and was wondering if sports fans such as yourself could help us out with this. Add your name to the list and see what tasks you can complete. Feel free to drop me a line, Cheers, Rogerthat 07:04, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] More Ridiculous userboxes

This user is a member of the
Formula One Wikiproject.
A1 This user is a member of the
A1 Grand Prix Wikiproject.

just a quick note, thought you might like to know about {{User WP:F1}} and {{User WP A1GP}} -slowpokeiv 18:25, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Reverse (cricket)

Hi, I am trying to confirm it again. What you said in WP:Cricket is that the picture and writeup describes correctly the way Waugh and Harvey bowled the slower ball, right ? It is only the name that doesn't look familiar. Tintin 01:27, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you. As long as the editor is not pulling off a hoax, it is fine :-) Tintin 02:57, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Article improvement drive

Hi Albinomonkey,

The Football AID is restarting. The next project article is to be selected on January 1, 2006. Please look at the nominations and take part actively. Thanks. -Aabha (talk) 10:44, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dragons Userbox

Hi, just letting you know that the userbox for the Dragons has been created for the Wikipedia:WikiProject Userboxes, and that you may want to change your box on your page! Cheers, mdmanser 13:54, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Football AID

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[edit] World Cup vote

With your neutral vote would you anticipate that the vote would be discounted or should it be used to calculate the total votes and the consequent percentage majority and thus be registered as a half vote for for and a half vote against the move? Jooler 10:16, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I think the choice is up to you. Either give a half vote to each or remove the vote or plump for one or the other. Jooler 11:42, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Rugby league

Hi Albinomonkey, just letting you know that you are welcome to join the new project. DaGizza Chat 04:15, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK - Rick Darling

Hi, that was a very interesting suggestion; unfortunately, it cannot be used on DYK as it would be more than 5 days old by the time of next update (Monday, 00:00 UTC). Please try to add a suggestion as early as possible after the creation of an article in future. Thanks, --Gurubrahma 08:38, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] OversORBalls

A belated thanks. Tintin Talk 21:30, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Userspace/userbox

As per your request, these have now been deleted under speedy deletion criterion G7. --Alf melmac 14:34, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Durban street race

I would like to create a page with more info on the durban street race. at the moment, it just points to durban ? how do u go about this ?MarcForrest

thanks albino monkey, i started the Durban_street_circuit, please feel free to add or update. thanks marc

[edit] 200 seasons

200 Seasons of Australian Cricket - Articles in the form of "newspaper clippings" about Australian cricket from 1877–1997 - Why is it 200 seasons ? Tintin Talk 13:49, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Midland or MF1

I have contacted Midland themselves and they have responded to my email. They mention the chassis is Midland-Toyota M16. MF1 is the trademark. MIDLAND TOYOTA M16 Have a look for yourself. I can forward the email to you if you like. Andreasu 10:48 9 Thursday 2006.

[edit] football

The Victorian Rules folk are trying to claim that Aussie Rules is an Australian variety of the game when it is very distinctly a Victorian variation of football and was codified in Victoria many years before the beginning of Australia. If you share the same opinion I would love for you to come to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Football and give your opinion.

All the best

04:02, 12 February 2006 (UTC)Licinius

[edit] disam

i believe that there was a discussion on a talk page, but i cannot remeber which one. But I believe that it is appropriate to be left as a disam page anyway, you get all the relevant links. Xtra 01:56, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

It is somewhere here unless i am mistaken. the discussion would have been moved when the page was moved. Xtra 02:03, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

You would be better talking to Grant65 about this. Xtra 04:52, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RBR, STR

I changed it based on the labels used from an official TV network of F1 during qualifying. Actually, I also saw "Sauber BMW" instead of "BMW Sauber". As I recall the naming of the cars were "STR Cosworth", "RBR Ferrari" "Sauber BMW", and "Aguri Honda", despite the official names of the teams. For example, the car Ferrari is called that despite the fact that the official name is "Scuderia Ferrari Marboro". The reader can just click the link to read more on the details. But if you really believe that it should be changed back, I don't mind. :) --Noypi380 09:53, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SmackBot month delinking

An unfortunate side-effect of your current delinking of months meant that in a whole heap of Formula One articles, the team March Engineering, which was wrongly linked to the month as March has all become delinked. I know it shouldn't have been pointing to March but now it is difficult to find and correct those incorrect links that I've only just become aware of. Is there any way to find all of the occurences of this other than going through SmackBot's contribs? Thanks AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 07:36, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, how about I give you a list of articles that include "Formula One" ,"Formula 1" or Formula one" and a link to March as of earlier this month? Rich Farmbrough 11:23 26 March 2006 (UTC).
OK here it is, all 224 articles - two have special characters but I'm sure you'll know the location of the real article. Some you may wish to ignore, like "2004" Rich Farmbrough 12:55 26 March 2006 (UTC).
I am also fixing up some of the XXXX Placename Grand Prix articles where March engineering is next to Ford Motor Company. Rich Farmbrough 16:53 27 March 2006 (UTC).

[edit] List of Formula One drivers

This is an amazing list! I wondered if it would be an idea to footnote the strange .143 points occurences with a brief summary of the explanation given at the pointscoring article - people are clearly going to be surprised by seeing it (I certainly was!), so rather than making them do the hard graft of searching it out, footnoting it (maybe with a link to the pointscoring page) would be helpful, and add significantly to the list. What do you think? TheGrappler 18:16, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! That's a top class list. TheGrappler 16:22, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Cricketball 04.jpg

Hi Albinomonkey,

You uploaded this image to the Commons some time ago. It was converted to PNG to give it a transparent background recently (Image:Cricketball.png) and this image is being used in lots of different language WikiProject Crickets. Anyway your image has been nominated for deletion. You're welcome to take part in the discussion: commons:Template:Deletion_requests#.5B.5B:Image:Cricketball_04.jpg.5D.5D

cheers, pfctdayelise (translate?) 13:25, 4 April 2006 (UTC)