Template talk:Albanians

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It's ridiculous not to include the Kosovo War as an incident involving persecution of Albanians. Also, regarding the old "is Kosovo part of Serbia question", yes it is, Noah, get used to it; this has been debated again and again; you cannot present a province of Serbia as a separate entity from Serbia (see Talk:Albanians). WP:NPOV#Undue weight - any Atlas will tell you that Kosovo is a province of Serbia. //Dirak 22:49, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

see template:Serbs. They use Kosovo since the headline points that the list includes both regions and countries.
Haha, I created Template:Serbs. The only reason I did that is because there is no article about Serbs in Serbia. Kosovo is an internationally recognised part of Serbia, and you haven't opposed the other edits, so back it goes until you have something of substance to say. And sign your posts please. --Еstavisti 01:03, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Dirak, even if we accept that Albanians were persecuted in the Kosovo War, we still shouldn't link to it in that rubric. Let me put it like this - is the Holocaust the same as WW2? If it is insisted upon, the best place for it is the history rubric. --Еstavisti 01:08, 28 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Illyrians

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-42640/Albania

The origins of the Albanian people are not definitely known, but data drawn from history and from linguistic, archaeological, and anthropological studies have led to the conclusion that Albanians are the direct descendants of the ancient Illyrians and that the latter were natives of the lands they inhabited. Similarly, the Albanian language derives from the language of the Illyrians, the transition from Illyrian to Albanian apparently occurring between the 4th and 6th centuries AD.

http://www.ce-review.org/99/18/vaknin18.html

There is very little dispute among serious (that is, non-Greek, non-Macedonian and non-Serb) scholars that the Albanians are an ancient people, the descendants of the Illyrians or, as a small minority insists, of the Thracians. The Albanian language is a rather newer development (less than 1500 years old) - but it can also be traced back either to Thracian or to Illyrian. In a region obsessed with history, real and (especially) invented, these 4000-year-old facts are of enormous and practical import. --Noah30 22:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

The CE-review source by Sam Vanik is not a reliable source to ascertain the origin of the Albanians, check his credentials [1]; he's no historian or expert in the field. Britannica is another matter, so I won't be deleting the Illyrians, however, don't forget that it still says "[t]he origins of the Albanian people are not definitely known".--Domitius 22:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC)