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[edit] What was archived

This is Rumor Control, and here is the consensus. The following consensus was derived from the material most recently archived (and previously archived). Please refer to it first before seeking a new consensus:

  • JKR always thought of Dumbledore as gay.
  • Homosexuality were not a featured or even mentioned part of any of the seven books of the series.
  • Dumbledore's sexuality is not - we repeat, not - a notable part of the series of books, nor of his character as described in the books.
  • The Wikipedia and consensus-participating editors are not "in denial" about Dumbledore's homosexual attraction to Grindelwald.

We now return you to your regularly-scheduled Big Bag o' Crazy™. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 19:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Nevertheless, I think you're doing a great disservice to what is possibly the first ever 'openly' homosexual character in the history of children's literature by not giving this a separate section in the article. --77.250.154.137 (talk) 04:04, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
We'll take that under advisement. faithless (speak) 04:14, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, you can easily defend the point that technically, Dumbledore's homosexuality was not explicit in the books (the work "homosexual" did not appear in print). On the other hand, what is obvioius depends on the context in which the books are read. If you read the books with an open mind it is completely clear that Dumbledore was gay, and that his great love was Grindelwald. It speaks to the state of denial of most of JRK's readers, that she had to point out the obvious after all was said and done (or rather written). --24.85.68.231 (talk) 07:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this changes his argument much, but dude is just flat out wrong. There've been many openly homosexual characters in children's literature previous to Dumbledore. "Heather Has Two Mommies", anybody? C'mon. (For a brief list of examples, visit http://www.armory.com/~web/gaybooks.html) 125.33.10.92 (talk) 16:05, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Dumbledore was NOT 'openly' homosexual. It was not even hinted at in the books. Dumbledore, according to Rowling, had a brief love for Grindelwald, and when it seemed he was rejected, he led a non-sexual life. He was not "openly homosexual" at all. It wasn't until after releasing the books that Rowling hinted at him being gay. It isn't in the books.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.73.120.241 (talk • contribs) 19:47, 22 April 2008

[edit] Dumbledore/Grindelwald and "great tragedy"

Does anyone know if there is a source (other than the listed one) for D's love for G being his "great tragedy"? The Leaky Cauldron transcript doesn't contain that verbiage and I'm wondering if it is accurate or just a poor summary on behalf of the listed source. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 23:12, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Sure. ABC News, Yahoo! Movies, MSNBC, People, Daily Telegraph, Washington Post faithless (speak) 23:33, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Seems easier to conclude that the Leaky Cauldron got it wrong rather than all those sources plagiarized one inaccurate summary. ;) --Dante Alighieri | Talk 08:35, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dumbledore Family

Why not have a Dumbledore family article instead of having Percival Dumbledore and Kendra Dumbledore redirected to Albus's early life.--UESPArules (talk) 02:30, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Because his family isn't notable enough to warrant an article. faithless (speak) 19:11, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
My sentiments exactly. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 20:47, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Department of mysteries

I feel in the section on Dept. of mysteries it is essential to highlight Dumbledore's dominance over Voldemort in that duel. Even if it was classified as a "stalemate", it ended with a decisive edge in Dumbledore's favour further underlying the important fact that why was Voldemort purported to fear Albus Dumbledore. This point needs to be highlighted and not played down.

-Mayfair_void (Mayfair void (talk) 18:48, 25 February 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Other Media

Albus Dumbledore appeared in the Robot Chicken episode "Password: Swordfish" voiced by Seth Green. When Harry goes to see Dumbledore about what to do when it comes to the puberty monster Pubertis, he finds a black guy as him who states that a different actor portrays Dumbledore in a different movie. He gives Harry the Rubbing Stone which belonged to James Potter. After the stone has been used on the monster Pubertis, Dumbledore appeared and told Harry that the Rubbing Stone can only be uses three times a day (four if you take the night off). He also states that Pubertis can't be destroyed since he lives inside of everyone just like Dumbledore's inner demon Wandus Limpus prevents him from having meaningful relationships.[1]

I've removed the preceding content from the article. I don't really think that it belongs (it's about a Robot Chicken parody), but I wanted to see what others thought about the matter. At the very least I think the material needs to be rewritten, giving less attention to the Robot Chicken episode and mentioning other media portrayals of the character. —Mears man (talk) 19:09, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Agree with you mostly. I think it deserves mentioning (apparently, the contributor did, as well, since he plastered it throughout the character pages). Needs some work. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 20:20, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing out the edits to the other articles Arcayne. I missed those, but whatever we decide to do with the info in this article probably needs to be done in the others as well. —Mears man (talk) 20:57, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Deserves no mention whatsoever in this article, IMO. Robot Chicken maybe, but not here. faithless (speak) 20:40, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Where?

Where is some of this stuff coming from? I don't recognize it from the books. Like, the greenish face, or admitting to Harry he felt trapped at home. ——Martinphi ☎ Ψ Φ—— 03:15, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Elphias Doge had the greenish face due to Dragon Pox. It was mentioned in the last book. The trapped at home I believe was also mentioned at the end of the last book. Not really sure about that one. Should be removed until some one comes along and confirms it. Rgoodermote  22:46, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Are we quite done with this?

Do we need some sort of no-wiki instruction to editors so that they don't add some bizarre OR speculation as to the gay thing, or what JKR was thinking (what are we, a bunch of telepaths?). This is growing tedious. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 22:31, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

They'd just ignore it anyway. Don't get me wrong, it's a fine idea, but I wouldn't expect it to do much good. faithless (speak) 04:10, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I understand the arguments for not discussing his homosexuality in the article, or rather, don't care -- but is there a reason he's not evem listed in the gay characters category? 98.200.114.221 (talk) 11:56, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
It looks like it was removed a few weeks ago and shortly thereafter the article was vandalized again. An editor then reverted the second vandal, but evidently didn't notice the first bit of vandalism. Thanks for pointing it out, I'll re-add it. Oh, and we do discuss his homosexuality in the article - we just don't give the topic undue weight. Cheers, faithless (speak) 14:45, 7 June 2008 (UTC)