Talk:Albury, New South Wales
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[edit] Flows in the Murray River at Albury before Hume Dam
were not very accurately described, so I've modified it. A chart of the original flow patterns is an interesting thing to examine (and I have). In normal, non-drought years, lows were low in summer and autumn (though still significant and nowhere near being a trickle), and high in winter and early to mid spring, due to winter rainfall and then snowmelt.
Codman 06:39, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Longest platform in the southern hemisphere?
At present the article's reference to one of Albury's claims to fame reads: To accommodate this, a very long railway platform was needed; it was for many decades the longest platform in the Southern hemisphere.
- walkabout page states "It is the third-longest platform in Australia (the longest in NSW) owing to its role as changeover point."
- The Australian gazetteer dot com states "Albury railway station has the longest covered platform in the southern hemisphere, a relic of the days when Albury was the changeover point and customs station between Victoria and New South Wales."
- rail page dot org discussion states "The platform at Albury is 500m is length. It is regarded as the longest covered platform in the Southern Hemisphere"
- more railpage discussion notes the length as 456 metres according to Vic Rail and lists Albury as 6th longest in Australia. Note it did not make the Guiness World Records book listing discussed at the beginning of post.
- Albury city council heritage trail lays claim to Albury as: "the covered platform is one of the longest in Australia with the other being Flinders Street Station in Melbourne."
Based on the above, I think the sentence should read:
- To accommodate this, a very long railway platform was needed; the covered platform is one of the longest in Australia.
This leaves it in line with the Albury council's claim.--AYArktos 00:41, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
An anon editor has tried to claim longest covered platform - I am unaware of any source to support the claim and have reverted - any such claim needs to be supported by authoratitive sources--Golden Wattle talk 09:16, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Largest twin town?
The lead paragraph includes the statement: "Of all the twin towns on the Murray, it is the only one where the larger town is on the New South Wales side of the river." I believe Corowa, New South Wales is bigger than its twin town Wahgunyah, Victoria - hence I have removed the assertion.--A Y Arktos 23:59, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Reformat article
I propose to reformat the article to have headings similar to the Canberra article. Canberra was recently a nominated featured article and hence I think the topic coverage and order of coverage would be useful for a city.--A Y Arktos 04:27, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Comparison of topics and size with other cities nominated as Featured Articles
| Suggested Heading | Topic | Present in Albury article? | Comment |
|---|---|---|---|
| History | History | Yes | |
| Geography | Geography | Yes | |
| Geography | Transportation | yes | |
| Geography | Climate | no | |
| Geography | Bodies of water | in passing | |
| Geography | Suburbs and Neighborhoods | not really | |
| Geography | Street layout | no | |
| Governance | Government | Not as at Apr 06 | |
| Economy | Economy | started | |
| Demographics | Demographics | no | |
| Education | Schools | Not as at Apr 06 | |
| Education | Colleges | Not as at Apr 06 | |
| Education | Universities | yes | |
| Infrastructure | Utilities | Not as at Apr 06 | |
| Infrastructure | Medicine | Not as at Apr 06 | |
| Culture/Media | Newspapers | yes | |
| Culture/Media | Radio | yes | |
| Culture/Media | TV | yes | |
| Culture | Sports | yes | |
| Culture | Museums, etc. | no | |
| Culture | Music | Not as at Apr 06 | |
| Culture | Libraries | Not as at Apr 06 | |
| Crime | Only sensational aspects as at Apr 06 | ||
| Notable natives | section started | ||
| Parks | Not as at Apr 06 | ||
| Sister cities | yes | ||
| City in literature | |||
| Trivia | |||
| ~ | Infobox | ||
| ~ | Division box | ||
| ~ | Article size |
[edit] Lavington
It's not clear to me whether Lavington, New South Wales is north of Albury or part of Albury so I have tacked a link on as a "See also". Feel free to incorporate it in a more appropriate way (and to improve the Lav article). Nurg 10:11, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Well, I've just done a bit of work on that Lavington article with a fair bit of local knowledge that'd just clog up this main Albury article but seems quite appropriate there. I think it also clarifies the north/part of question; Lavington is clearly part of the city of Albury but is a distinct locality from, say "North Albury" and "Albury" and all that. Graham 01:26, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
As a resident of a nearby town I can confirm that this is correct. Lavington is part of Albury and there is no real seperation between North Albury and Lavington. skorpion 07:05, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] image of longest platform
In my opinion the picture of the long station platform needs to be taken at daytime to make it much clearer as to how long it really is. Harryboyles 12:42, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
- I have a daytime image and can upload. I was not the uploader of the night time image.--A Y Arktos\talk 20:39, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
- Would have been nice if someone did contact the uploader, but there's no problem in using the daytime image. Dysprosia 00:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Suburbs
Prompted by the table above regarding topic coverage, I've set out a "Suburbs" subsection in Geography. I am wondering if there's too much pointless information there, though it does touch on the history of the growth of the city, or if it's too muddled. Graham 14:34, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Bypass
Albury is currently in the middle of building a bypass, as it was the only town between melbourne and NSW that wasn't bypassed by the freeway. This might be included in the article as it is a pretty magor thing for the region, haveing taken over 20 years (atleast) since it was first proposed to start getting built. skorpion 07:12, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
- This info is in the article with a photo (could be better placed - seems to have been shifted away from text) but ....--A Y Arktos\talk 08:10, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
- The mention is under Transport, though it got mixed up with the discussion about with the other minor highways. I've split the para into two to make this clearer. As for the picture, well, moving that back into Transport with the two railway station ones might make it pretty cluttered. And on a pedantic note, Holbrook and Tarcutta also remain to be bypassed, with no firm plans to do so.Graham 15:47, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Albury History
I just did a little on the history of Albury up until the 1880s, and put the history stub into the history section as it is clearly not finished. If anyone has any sources on the mayors of Albury, and other specifics like that I would appreciate it to be contributed to this article. As I know Albury like so many cities in Australia has a unique and very interesting history. T3liph0n3 10:51, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
| Mayor | from | till |
|---|---|---|
| James T Fallon | 1859 | 1862 |
| Walter M Miller | 1862 | 1863 |
| John Roper | 1862 | |
| Samual CV North | 1864 | 1865 |
| Samuel F Blackmore | 1865 | 1866 |
| Lewis Jones | 1867 | |
| George H Mott | 1868 | |
| George Day | 1869 | 1870 |
| Lewis Solomon | 1871 | |
| William NM Edmonson | 1872 | |
| George Day | 1873 | |
| Kenneth McLennan | 1874 | |
| James Day | 1875 | 1876 |
| William J Jones | 1877 | 1878 |
| Alfred H Emerson | 1879 | 1880 |
| George C Thorsold | 1879 | |
| William NM Edmonson | 1880 | |
| Alfred H Emerson | 1881 | |
| William E Lamport | 1882 | |
| George C Thorsold | 1883 | |
| Luke Gulsen | 1884 | |
| George H Billson | 1885 | 1886 |
| Thomas H Griffth | 1887 | |
| Thomas H Mate | 1888 | |
| George A Thompson | 1889 | 1890 |
| Arthus Phillips | 1892 | |
| George H Billson | 1893 | |
| William C Woods | 1894 | |
| David S Watson | 1895 | 1896 |
| James Hodge | 1897 | |
| Conrad TenBrink | 1898 | 1906 |
| Walter J Billson | 1899 | 1900 |
| John C Chenery | 1901 | |
| Walter J Billson | 1902 | |
| Robert M Wilkinson | 1903 | 1905 |
| Alfred Waugh | 1907 | 1908 |
| Alexander G Daniel | 1909 | 1910 |
| William C Woods | 1911 | |
| James Allen | 1912 | |
| George P Frere | 1913 | |
| Alfred Waugh | 1914 | |
| Stuart M Logan | 1915 | |
| Percy D Burrows | 1916 | |
| William C Woods | 1917 | 1918 |
| Alfred Waugh | 1919 | 1920 |
| Jame P Smithenbecker | 1921 | |
| Alfred Waugh | 1922 | |
| Clive H Burt | 1923 | 1924 |
| Henry G Davies | 1925 | |
| Alfred Waugh | 1926 | 1938 |
| Dudley G Padman | 1939 | 1945 |
| Cleaver E Bunton | 1946 | 1960 |
| John C King | 1961 | |
| Cleaver E Bunton | 1961 | 1972 |
| Tom E Pearsall | 1973 | 1974 |
| Cleaver E Bunton | 1974 | 1976 |
| Max R Barry | 1976 | |
| Harold D Mair | 1976 | 1977 |
| John L Roach | 1977 1989 | |
| Arch J McLeish | 1992 | 1994 |
| James G Paterson | 1994 | |
| Leslie C Langford | 1995 | |
| Amanda Duncan-Strelic | 1995 | 1995 |
| Patrica G Gould | 1996 | 1999 |
| Mel Read | 2000 | 2000 |
| Patrica G Gould | 2001 |
I figured I should put the list up of Mayors of Albury here rather than mess up the article of Albury right at the moment. I spent almost half an hour noting all of the names and dates from the walls in the foyer of the Council Chambers and then an hour putting them into this table (after using Excell to sort them). I hope it can come to some use in making this article better (or possibly an Albury Mayors article). T3liph0n3 07:43, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- I myself don't find lists of mayors that exciting, but you might like to be aware there is a model at List of Mayors of Geelong. Cleaver Bunton has his own article by the way. Regards--A Y Arktos\talk 08:37, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- I've taken the information from here, referred to the list on the Albury City website [1], and created List of Mayors of Albury, and put a link in the Politics section of the article. Blarneytherinosaur talk 05:38, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Bot Upgrade
The bot, TheJoshBot has upgraded this template. The following information was last in the transition and will need to be put into prose:
- LatAndLong = 36|03|S|146|57|E|region:AU-NSW
- firstexplored = 1824
- firstsurveyed = 1839
- proclaimedtown = 1839
- proclaimedmunicipality = 1859
- proclaimedcity = 1946
- pophistoric = 5,862 (1911), 35,072 (1981)
- highway = Hume Highway, Riverina Highway
- river = Murray River
- railway = 1881 from Sydney; 1883 from Melbourne
[edit] Population figures
There are some errors in the first paragraph that should be corrected. Firstly, there is no such thing as a 'local census'. The ABS conducts a census every five years and also issues an 'estimated resident population' (ERP) each year. Any pop number quoted for the City of Albury should be this figure (the 2006 preliminary ERP is 47,694) source ABS cat 3218.0
Also, the two cities (Albury and Wodonga) do not have a population of more than 100,000. The figure you refer to is the population of the Albury-Wodonga Statistical District. This includes substantial areas of Towong and Indigo Shires in Victoria, as well as part of Greater Hume Shire in NSW. It includes towns such as Tallangatta, Yackandandah, Beechworth and Chiltern. The 2006 estimated resident population of the Cities of Albury and Wodonga is 82,974.
If there is general agreement, I can update this paragraph. Mustard Pot 05:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
- In my view you should make such adjustments as can be referenced and then reference them so that there is less (if any) argument. --VS talk 05:46, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
- I agree with Virtual Steve. Be bold. Blarneytherinosaur talk 06:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Done! Mustard Pot 23:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Flooding
I am seeking information regarding floods to add to Climate of Australia. I know that pre-Hume weir floods were a signficiant issue along the Murray I just need to find something that's already been included. Garrie 03:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Transport
Should there be some information regarding river transport for historical reasons?Garrie 03:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
- I am hoping to get over to the Albury library on the weekend to pick up some books and then do something similar to History of Wagga Wagga. This will no doubt include some information on paddlesteamers. -- Mattinbgn/ talk 03:36, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] One sentence paragraphs
Perhaps stating the obvious but there'll be others reading not aware that we are working on this article getting to GA classification. We need particularly to expand, join, remove etc the large amount of one sentence paragraphs within the content.--VS talk 05:07, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Lake Hume
Lake Hume is not part of albury. 123.243.254.204 (talk) 23:19, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
