Talk:Albert I, Prince of Monaco

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does not belong with this article. This is a Prince Albert of Monaco, but it's not Prince Albert I of Monaco, it's the current (as of yet non-reigning) one. This is clear not only from the fact that it's a color photograph, but that he's speaking at the UN, an organization which post-dates the Albert in question. -- Someone else 16:56, 9 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Judging from the page history of Image:Albert of Monaco.jpg, it was the right one originally, but was written over (presumably by somebody unknowingly chosing the same file name). --Camembert
Ah, I see! Any way to get the old picture back without deleting the new picture, presumably used by the other page???? -- Someone else 17:06, 9 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Not that I know of - just have to save the old pic and re-upload it with a different name, I think (I'm too lazy... I mean busy... to do this myself right now). --Camembert
Mission accomplished, I'll delete the old picture from the old page to avoid future mishaps. -_ Someone else 17:17, 9 Aug 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Dates

Nunh-huh wishes the article to use U.S. format dates. We have discussed this extensively on his talk page and at Talk:Rainier III, Prince of Monaco. Monaco uses International dating (as does the UK, and indeed, most of the world), and that is a substantial reason to change the article's format to International Dates, rather than American Dates.

With all respect, Nunh-huh does not seem to have access to all the facts. I ask him again to provide details of the "longstanding rule" to which he refers, but the current policy is as per the MoS reference I have already given. Let me quote it:

If the topic itself concerns a specific country, editors may choose to use the date format used in that country. This is useful even if the dates are linked, because new users and users without a Wikipedia account do not have any date preferences set, and so they see whatever format was typed. For topics concerning the UK, Australia, Ireland, New Zealand, most member states of the Commonwealth of Nations, and most international organizations such as the United Nations, the formatting is usually [[17 February]] [[1958]] (no comma and no "th"). In the United States and Canada, it is [[February 17]], [[1958]]. Elsewhere, either format is acceptable. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style#National varieties of English for more guidance.

Perhaps Nunh-huh is referring to this section on disputes over styles:

In June 2005, the Arbitration Committee ruled that, when either of two styles is acceptable, it is inappropriate for a Wikipedia editor to change from one style to another unless there is some substantial reason for the change. For example, with respect to British spelling as opposed to American spelling, it would only be acceptable to change from American spelling to British spelling if the article concerned a British topic. Revert warring over optional styles is unacceptable; if the article uses colour rather than color, it would be wrong to switch simply to change styles, although editors should ensure that articles are internally consistent. If in doubt, defer to the style used by the first major contributor. See Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jguk

The substantial reason for the change in date formats in this article is that Monaco uses the "littleendian" date format of Day Month Year, as may be seen in the prince's official site, already linked above. In addition, the date formats were inconsistent and I rationalised them, as per my edit summary. I thank jtdirl for his contribution in this matter. Looking back over his contributions to Wikipedia it is clear that he is an expert in applying consistent and coherent styles as per the MoS, especially when fine interpretations over hotly contested topics are required, and we may all benefit from his advice. --Jumbo 22:15, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I've asked for comments from the rest of the Wikipedia community. - Nunh-huh 23:12, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Marriage

The article states "Caroline had tried to make a marital match between Albert and Princess Mary Adelaide of Cambridge, the first cousin of Queen Victoria and future mother of Britain’s Queen Mary, but to no avail" - are there any sources for this. The Princess was married in 1866 aged 30 having had problems finding a husband, while Albert at that time was only 18. Even allowing for the dynastic advantages - this does sound a little unlikely. Giano 12:00, 15 February 2007 (UTC)