Talk:Albanian nationalism and independence
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The source of this article is presumably more or less impartial, therefore I think we should check the claims that it is POV.
Igor dropped the following passage:
[Montenegro,] whose tribesmen had resorted to terror, mass murder, and forced conversion in territories it coveted,
"Terror" and "mass murder" are POV terms. But I think we anyway have to state what happened or didn't happen. The passage might be POV in the sense that the deeds of only one party are mentioned. Igor inserted a passage about Montenegrins' losses but it seems to imply war.
As these events are disputed, we need evidence, and more precise descriptions. Andres 12:06, 22 Oct 2003 (UTC)
There was: The key event in the Serbs' national mythology, the defeat of their forces by the Ottoman Turks,
This was really sort of point of view. But I still think that when the author used the word mythology he didn't imply the unreality of the event but that in Serbs' national self-consciousness it played a similar role as Skanderbeg's resistance in that of Albanian's. Andres 12:19, 22 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Igor dropped the sentence: Finally, Albanians claim Kosovo based on the fact that their kinsmen have constituted the vast majority of Kosovo's population since at least the eighteenth century.
Presumably Igor dropped this sentence because he disputes that the above-mentioned "fact" is a fact. But even if isn't it is claimed to be a fact by Albanians. What about substituting "their claim" for "the fact"?
It seems to me that this argument of the Albanians in no way can be dropped because else their claim to Kosovo would not be understandable. Probably this disputed point of Albanians should be elaborated in the text of the article and the details of the dispute should be presented in a separate article.
Besides, I think that even the argument that Albanians constitute a vast majority on some territory at a given moment has some strength at that moment, not considering the history. Therefore it might be artificial to bond the claims about the present and the past in an inseparable whole like the dropped passage is. Andres 12:38, 22 Oct 2003 (UTC)
[edit] Question
What deos "Albanian Vilayets" mean? Also, I would like to give credits to the writer of this article - it's perfectly written. However, I fail to see the relevance of a whole section on the Kosovo question that goes indeep to history of Kosovo (going even to the medieval ages?). --PaxEquilibrium 21:54, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Albanians have no national remains are you that wrong??--Dodona (talk) 09:56, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
