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[edit] Thank you very much

I really appreciate the barnstar. It's very kind of you. I hope you are doing well and keep up your own good work! Tiamuttalk 08:32, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

By the way, Soman is asking for the exact wording in the Aburish text at the Talk:Palestinian fedayeen article. If you could reply to his request, that would be great since I don't have a copy of the book myself. Thanks in advance. Tiamuttalk 08:40, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

Hello. I am translating the article Yasser Arafat to norwegian, and I am wondering whether the picture "Israeli raid in house during Karama.jpg" can be uploaded to Commons? If not, is there any other way for me to use it? Cheers, JohnnyGoodfella (talk) 01:06, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your reply. I will pass the question over to an expert on the norwegian wikipedia. By the way, I really liked the article myself, and this is what I have translated so far. Cheers, JohnnyGoodfella (talk) 01:19, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I am planning on replicating the english article as much as possible; that includes all the references. Thank you for your help. JohnnyGoodfella (talk) 01:33, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi again. The translation is taking quite some time, but I am also spending much time writing related articles (the Norwegian Wikipedia is much smaller than the English, so the article doesn't look as good with all the red links). Anyway, could you please explain the last part of the section "Jordan" for me?

By September 25, the Jordanian army achieved dominance, and two days later Arafat and Hussein agreed to a series of ceasefires. The Jordanian army inflicted heavy casualties upon the Palestinians — including civilians — who suffered approximately 3,500 fatalities.[26] Arafat and a number of his Fatah forces, including two high commanders, Abu Iyad and Abu Jihad, were forced into the northern corner of Jordan.

First they agreed to ceasefires, but did they suffer any losses (casualties) after that? Why were they forced into the corner of Jordan if they had agreed not to battle? Were there any clashes after the ceasefires? And one other thing: A series of ceasefires — is that many ceasefires at different places in Jordan, or at different times? Cheers, JohnnyGoodfella (talk) 00:40, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response! It's fairly late here in Norway (2 AM), so I will have to look at your reply tomorrow, but I am grateful for any help with this. JohnnyGoodfella (talk) 01:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes, that definitely clarifies it. Your help is truly appreciated. I will let you know if I see anything else I don't understand. Cheers, JohnnyGoodfella (talk) 11:58, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Haifa

Hi. I have added references for this section - hope it looks to be ok now. It was to me the only section which I wasnt sure about before, to be honest. Thanks. Flymeoutofhere (talk) 18:56, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Flymeoutofhere (talk) 21:24, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for fixing the Arafat article. I was in the process of replacing the text, but ran into some technical difficulties on the references I was trying to put in. Jules1236 (talk) 01:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] I don't think this is is spam, but here goes...

Wikipedia is strictly buisness (mostly) which is why I am sending these messages to random people.

These listed Wikipages Need your help!

Whoever knows when Alf Schofield died please put in on the Alf Schofield page, that would really help.

Look at the Talk:Kangaroo (meat) page regarding my post- Kangaroo Species- that would really help.

Look at Talk:Katharine McPhee regarding her spouse under Relationships by Keane Rox.

For April 2007 Nor'easter well, I put in a fact and referenced it and now I don't know how to complete the reference. Click the blue 2 reference and you'll know what I mean. Then click the [2] at the top of the April 2007 Nor'easter article and complete the reference.

Spread the word for these Wikipages in need! That is all.

I don't think this is spam, but I am copying and pasting the same content on my own userpage.

Please reply, --RayquazaDialgaWeird2210 (talk) 23:33, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Thank you

It's good to meet you and thank you. Can you explain what "Yahya ibn Mahmud al-Wasiti" means in the image caption? Is that the name of the person depicted in the image, or the name of the painter? Badagnani (talk) 21:08, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

The 43rd edition? Do you know the year? Badagnani (talk) 21:48, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Got it fixed. Do you know why they say "maqāmah" instead of "maqām"? Badagnani (talk) 21:56, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

No I'm not positive, but I think its just a dialect problem or English interpretation problem. --Al Ameer son (talk) 21:57, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Arabic

I am learning Arabic and can tell you about a keyboard you can install, which will let you type Arabic using the English keyboard layout. It makes it so easy. Badagnani (talk) 21:58, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

It's up to you. I find it useful to search in Arabic or bilingually, and to add Arabic to Arabic-related articles. Badagnani (talk) 22:02, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Here it is (Arabic ASDF Eastern). There are a few letters that are different, but most of them are in the spot where they'd be on the English keyboard (Z for Z, R for R, B for B, etc.) Badagnani (talk) 22:04, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Please let me know if you have any problems or questions. Badagnani (talk) 22:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Name

Arabic Wikipedia gives this name:

محمد القاسم بن علي بن محمد بن عثمان الحريري.

This looks like it would be Muhammad Al-Qasim bin Ali Bin Muhammad bin Uthman Al-Hariri. Badagnani (talk) 22:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if بن would be pronounced "ibn" or "bin." Maybe "bin," if it was classical Arabic. Badagnani (talk) 22:25, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

User:Anas Salloum explained to me that it's the Hindu-Arabic numerals (Western numerals) that mess up the Arabic. The only way to do it is to put the name after the numerals, separately. Badagnani (talk) 22:29, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks and I'll try

I will try to add to Palestinian cuisine soon, though you did a great job there yourself. I'd like to add more to Ka'ak first and been thinking about doing a stand-alone article on Khamis Al-Amwat actually (though I still have not researched to see if there's anough material on the subject.) The customs and shared holidays of the din as'shaa'abiya (popular religion) of Palestine most interests me. I might do an article on that broader topic once I get some building blocks for it together too. Thanks again and good work yourself. Tiamuttalk 18:53, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Huldra often takes month or more wikibreaks, so I wouldn't be too concerned, though I do miss her when she's not around. Thanks for the link, by the way. Cheers. Tiamuttalk 23:01, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Yup; and now she is back again! Thank you for your note, Al Ameer son, and congrats to you for the Cuisine article! Btw, I am ordering the Palestinian cook-book (There are a lot of copies for sale over at abebooks.com, so it shouldn´t be too difficult to get), and will add inf. from it to the article when I get it. Regards, Huldra (talk) 05:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] question about the flag

I see on your userpage you mention that you prefer the old Iraq flag and not the new one. I was wondering if you could elaborate on why the new one is a joke and a symbol of Arab and Iraqi decline. Cheers, Kingturtle (talk) 03:59, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] did you know nomination I have made

[edit] Arafat again

Hi. Thank you for your kind help. The translation is moving forward. I have another question though. Take a look at this chapter, in the beginning of the second section. Is it supposed to be in "non-chronological" order? Quote:

In February 1975, the Tigers assassinated the pro-Palestinian politician Ma'arouf Sa'ad. In April 1974, Phalangist forces killed twenty-seven Palestinians and Lebanese travelling on bus from Sabra and Shatila to the Tel al-Zaatar refugee camp.

Cheers from JohnnyGoodfella (talk) 16:45, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. Tiamut has answered, take a look at my talk page! Regards, JohnnyGoodfella (talk) 13:30, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sami Hadawi at DYK

Thanks for suggesting this article for DYK. The suggestions process is a little complex; please note in future, suggestions are made at Template talk:Did you know under the date the article was created. Another user will move your article to the update template once it has reached the head of the queue and been checked. Regards, Espresso Addict (talk) 20:34, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Updated DYK query On 21 March 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Sami Hadawi, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Now made it, congratulations! --Espresso Addict (talk) 02:59, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sumud and the Beit Sahour tax revolt

Very insightful of you Al Ameer Son to suggest that the two are related. I'm beginning to look for sources that make the link explicit so that information about it can be incorporated into the article. If you find anything yourself, do pass it on or add it directly to the article. Great thinking! Tiamuttalk 09:57, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tali Fahima

Ya Al Ameer son, as you've commented on the article's Talk page, perhaps you'd agree to help with the following: I've asked that some content be added to the Mercaz HaRav massacre#Reaction section, though I haven't succeeded in retrieving the source article from the Haaretz online English-language edition. (It was in the print edition though I neglected to note the date; I prefer citing Haaretz rather than Ynetnews as was done for the Yuli Tamir reaction.) Or perhaps you know of a better one? -- Thanks, Deborahjay (talk) 10:54, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
[Update]: You'll see in that section I added Dalia Itzik's reaction (and party affiliation, for those readers who won't bother to jump). Incidentally, this marks my first attempt at adding a referenced citation in a Wikipedia article, something I've long been wanting to learn and will need to use often in the future! -- Deborahjay (talk) 11:14, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
[Following your response ]: Thanks for checking; I went back to Haaretz online and likewise found nothing on March 12-14. I've heard in the past that the online edition doesn't include all the print edition's articles, and likewise that the English doesn't include all that's printed in Hebrew. On the other hand, I don't think an edit to that page would stand without citing an English-language reference, preferably online. So that's it for now. -- Deborahjay (talk) 17:22, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
[...and in conclusion]: I did succeed in finding the article thanks to Google (per: Haaretz "Tali Fahima") since the search engine on the Haaretz site is fairly useless. Have posted the results on the Talk pages for both subjects, as I consider the reportage (and the incident) too minor for editing into the mainspace of either. -- Deborahjay (talk) 18:08, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nablus photos

Hi Al Ameer son,

Nice work on re-arranging the Nablus page, photo wise. I wanted to add some images to an otherwise dull looking page. I like what you have done with them though. Best wishes.--RobNS 18:51, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tel Aviv

I've had a go at addressing the points (during which the tag was removed as I didnt know where it should go - hopefully no longer needed) - is this ok? Flymeoutofhere (talk) 17:02, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Sure we can add that - I'd really appreciate it if you could provide a source (if you have one). Thanks. Oh also, who has to give the Haifa article the GA stamp of approval? Is it the other reviewer? Cheers -- Flymeoutofhere (talk) 10:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the barnstar! Flymeoutofhere (talk) 16:23, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tantura

Hi al Ameer son,
I removed the pov-tag.
Regards, Ceedjee (talk) 12:56, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

No prob. Thanks for your efforts ! Ceedjee (talk) 13:17, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Eftekasat

Hi there, what's up?! Look, i wanted to ask you if you can state your opinion on this matter. Also please do visit those two pages, Eftekasat and Mouled Sidi El-Latini, to obtain a better understanding of the band! Thanks for your help. :) Maged M. Mahfouz (talk) 19:49, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jifna

I did some checking on the JMCC and I'm now satisfied it is a reliable source, since it's quoted by the BBC and other reliable organizations. So I have promoted your original hook. Regards, Gatoclass (talk) 04:55, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Updated DYK query On 27 March 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jifna, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Congratulations! Ruhrfisch ><>°° 12:58, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I just redirect Jufna to Jifna since I think they are the same city. Just making sure with you. JoshuaZ (talk) 16:28, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Yes, some terrorists were killed

In the Khalil al-Wazir article, you mention some high profile operations that he planned against civilian targets in Israel, along with the casualties in each case. That's relevant information, of course. However, adding the number of terrorists killed by Israeli security forces in each case is not relevant, in my opinion, for two reasons. First, the death of the perpetrators was not one of the intended targets of such operations. Second, the information can be found in the articles about each incident (Savoy Operation and Coastal Road massacre). For this reason, I think that this information should be removed from the article. -- Gabi S. (talk) 18:54, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

There is another issue. I find the article about the Tunis Raid very problematic. It includes unsourced information, while the Khalil al-Wazir article's section about the assassination is much more accurate and sourced. Personally, I find it hard to justify a complex military operation just to kill one man, but Israeli leaders are known for making unsensible decisions. The article includes information that is surely unverifiable (such as the five Zodiac boats, or the ECM shield). There are also many questionable details regarding the raid, such as how could Mossad agents leave safely on commercial flights without being detected, why didn't his wife call someone immediately that could at least stop the perpetrators from running away, and how come the guards at the Tunisian President residence didn't notice anything unusual that night. All these details are blessfully missing from the Khalil al-Wazir main article, which rightfully includes only accurate and sourced information.
In summary, I suggest changing the Tunis Raid article into a redirect to Khalil al-Wazir#Assassination. Please let me know what do you think about it.
Thanks, -- Gabi S. (talk) 22:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Did you notify the WikiProject Palestine members? I didn't notice (or maybe you have non-WP methods of communication). -- Gabi S. (talk) 03:58, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Palestinian Cuisine

And thanks to Funkynusayri who actually uploaded the pictures (I´m a bit "technically challenged" ;-P) Anyway, if you go to the Library of Congress search page, then type in Int[erior] of Arab Christian home ..then you will find the closest I have found of a family at home. (They have two Western visitors sitting at the back; people from the American Colony?) I know you are looking for any history-related inf. for the Palestinian Cuisine article...and I will be on the look-out for any more tidbits..Regards, Huldra (talk) 22:38, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree that it isn´t ideal, but it is the best I could find. And just ask Funky for help: he is very helpful, and knows how to crop the pictures etc. (Just look at his talk-page). Good luck! Huldra (talk) 23:18, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Just a little note: Funky normally answers on his own page; you better "watch" it if you ask him anything, cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:49, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Israel

By all means, Wiki Project Palestine can add Sharon to their list, it makes eminent sense. However, I would request that you do not remove project tags from various personalities and/or places for personal or ideological reasons. Thank you, -- Avi (talk) 05:32, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

As I said in the edit history, whether you abhor r applaud the actions of Yassin or Arafat, there is no denial that each had a significant effect on the histories of both the state of Israel and the current Palestinian authority, and both absolutely belong in both projects. Wikispace is cheap, and if related wikiprojects want to keep an eye on the articles, there is no problem in having multiple projects on any article. That is wht we have {{WikiProjectBannerShell}}. If you do not wish to identify related articles as WikiProject palestine, that is your perogative (remembering that other members of WikiProject Palestine may disagree with you). However, there is no problem of excess scope; au contraire, the more involved editors there are in an article, the more likely there is to have good discourse as to the nature of the article and thus an enhanced WP:NPOV approach. Bethlehem was a major Jewish city in antiquity, and an important city in the state of Israel from 1948 until now. Placing a WikiProject Israel tag on it no more claims it for Israel as placing a wikiproject Palestine tag claims it for Palestine. All they do is identify articles under the ægis and eyes of the various projects. The last thing we need is to start using wiki as a political soapbox, so as you would like WP:Palestine's choices respected, please respect other wikiprojects. Thank you. -- Avi (talk) 18:04, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Sure, I was just trying to decipher which was the proper WP:Palestine noticeboard to start the discussion when some "real" work popped up . My suggestion, start the discussion at one project and drop a note at the other so that we don't get split conversations. Thanks! -- Avi (talk) 18:19, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Please correct me if I was wrong in your reasoning here: WT:WikiProject Palestine#Overlap of WikiProject Palestine and Wikiproject Israel. -- Avi (talk) 18:37, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bethlehem

Thanks for your comment, it's nice to know someone is reading! --Rbreen (talk) 09:00, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind comments about Nabulsi soap. I'll try to expand the history section abit in the coming days. I've gotten busy with Mavia (queen) though now and discovered that the Moses referred to her story doesn't yet have a page (At first I thought he was Moses the Black but a new source says he was distinct from him). So, I need to do something about that first before getting back to Nabulsi soap. But if you want to go ahead and build on it and we co-propose for a GA, that would be great. Thanks for the encouragement and positive thinking. Tiamuttalk 13:51, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hableh

Hello. Thank you for the work you have put into Rantis. I was wondering if you could help me with Hableh as well. Thank you once again! Stanley011 (talk) 05:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR violation

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Arab. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. --Coppertwig (talk) 12:47, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ibn Shaddad

Thank you very much :) --ROGER DAVIES talk 16:45, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Restoration of templates

No problem at all. To be honest, I got tired of it as well, because I was also adding 2 standard bits of information and 2 standard refs to each articles, which took a bit of time. Maybe today I will finish the task for all Negev towns. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 08:38, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Masakhan

Hello. Can you please help me with this article. I believe this is a Palestinian dish so I added it to the Palestinian cuisine category. Please check out the article when you get a chance and review the sources that I have added. Once again, thank you so much for your help. Stanley011 (talk) 23:04, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Arafat again

Hi there, Al Ameer son! The translation is moving forward. Could you please help me understand this part of the Oslo Accords section?

The following year, Arafat and Rabin were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, along with Shimon Peres. The Palestinian reaction was mixed. The Rejectionist Front of the PLO allied itself with Islamists in a common opposition against the agreements. It was rejected by also Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan as well as by many Palestinian intellectuals and the local leadership of the Palestinian territories. However, the inhabitants of the territories generally accepted the agreements and Arafat's promise for peace and economic well-being.

Were these reactions to the Nobel Peace Prize award, or the Oslo Accords? It is somewhat unclear to me. The Palestinian reaction was mixed because of the award, but the Rejectionist Front and other Palestinian refugees reacted to the Oslo Accords? Thanks for any help. Cheers, JohnnyGoodfella (talk) 21:23, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much! JohnnyGoodfella (talk) 21:53, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tel Rumeida

Hello. I was wondering if you can help me out with this one. Since it is a Jewish settlement, I am not sure if it should be part of wikiprojectPalestine or not. In any event, the article needs work (and I'm not sure if the source is sufficiently neutral). Please advice/assist. Thanks! Stanley011 (talk) 04:14, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Possibly unfree Image:Saeb-erekat.jpg

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I think you made a mistake. I don't remember uploading any picture(s) of Saeb Erekat. --Al Ameer son (talk) 17:57, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
You did edit one. But you can feel free to ignore this message. Stifle (talk) 18:31, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jifna

Thank you for working on Jifna. You ask a good question and in my opinion, as Jifna seems to look like a current village as opposed to Ir Ovot which seems to have very few if any residents. Ir Ovot does not seem to be a currently functioning village so I would urge you to use Bethlehem to guide you. As for materials to find, if they are not in the village proper, does something in the region serve the village? For example, with education, are there public or private schools that serve the children in the town? Where is the nearest airport? Are there any festivals or celebrations in the town that are notable? If there is a published book that includes such information, you might be able to use it, listing the ISBN number. Let me know if this helps. Best- Chrisfortier (talk) 03:20, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Yom al-Ard

I understand, but the story clearly states towns such as Sakhnin. Those who live in Sakhnin cannot be defined as refugees, as they are within the borders. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.100.180.70 (talk) 20:12, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, I just feel the wording is a little bit off. "The law was used to confiscate lands belonging to the over 750,000 Palestinian refugees, the majority of whom fled the area that became Israel in 1948". The thing is, is that they did not "flee" the land that became Israel, because they fled to other towns within the border of Israel. Do you think it would be acceptable to change it to "The law was used to confiscate lands belonging to the over 750,000 Palestinians, the majority of whom fled their hometowns in 1948". ? Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.100.180.70 (talk) 20:27, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Perfect edit

Thanks. Nishidani (talk) 21:19, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

hey, 1st of all thanks for the warm welcome :) I used to work only on the Shefa-Amr article but I've been having some free time lately so I can contribute to some of the articles around here. As you have noticed I've started with stubs for red articles, i'll see what i can add later on. anyway tsharafna bm3reftak ;) my name is Basheer BTW. M5Power (talk) 16:54, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Something for you

You deserve this for your even-handed and very civil approach.

Image:BoNM_-_Israel.png The Israeli Barnstar of National Merit
For your outstanding commitment to helping create neutral, well-researched and well-referenced articles on and about Israel, please accept this Israeli Barnstar of National Merit.--ROGER DAVIES talk 08:40, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
this WikiAward was given to Al Ameer son by --ROGER DAVIES talk on 08:40, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bagel

I, for all your help and committment to the Tel Aviv and Haifa articles Flymeoutofhere (talk) 11:49, 13 April 2008 (UTC), award you this Bagel of Zion for improving the coverage of ציון. Remember not to edit on empty stomach.
I, for all your help and committment to the Tel Aviv and Haifa articles Flymeoutofhere (talk) 11:49, 13 April 2008 (UTC), award you this Bagel of Zion for improving the coverage of ציון. Remember not to edit on empty stomach.

[edit] Arabic names

Hi there. I was wondering if you could give me arabic names for Modi'in Illit and El'ad which are currently on the List of cities in Israel which is going through a FLC at the moment. Thanks. Flymeoutofhere (talk) 09:16, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] thank you for your help

tahnks again, i will see what i can do about the proposed modifications, will be working on the article real soon regardsEli+ 06:30, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nader al-Masri

Could you help out with this page? Many thanks Stanley011 (talk) 06:49, 16 April 2008 (UTC).

[edit] Just Hello

Hey there, just wondering what you've been working on lately...looking for some projects to sink my teeth into :) Lazulilasher (talk) 13:29, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re Nabulsi soap

Thanks for the note! I'll be hugely busy and have limited internet access over the next couple of weeks, but if I get the chance and no-one else has taken it, I'll pick up the GA review over the weekend - I enjoyed reading the article. All the best, EyeSerenetalk 18:58, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Church destruction date

Ah, good then. Yeah, thought it was a little off that it was destroyed, soon rebuilt, then captured and added on to, all in one year. :P Other than the one tiny thing, great article. I do have a question about it, though. What makes a city a "sister city" of Jerusalem? Collaboration in schooling like Pavia, Italy? Baseballbaker23 (talk) 01:34, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Hm, okay. Interesting. Baseballbaker23 (talk) 02:19, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cheers for the good cheer

Thank you kindly for your lovely note. It's so nice to get such a friendly message like that to start my day. I look forward to seeing Yasser Arafat on the front page someday soon. Cheers! – Scartol • Tok 12:18, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Page numbers

Hi Al Ameer Son! Thanks for copying the info from the book you have access to, to my talk page. I was wondering if you could append the page numbers for each paragraph there, so that I can add the information to Nabulsi soap properly cited. Thanks for tracking down such valuable information. Tiamuttalk 10:21, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

One other thing, I just created an article on Fatta that you might be interested in, given your solid work on Palestinian cuisine. You might want to add something about it in the main article or perhaps you have information of your own you would like to add. Cheers. Tiamuttalk 12:01, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Jeez Al Ameer Son, I feel like such a fool. I didn't follow the link you sent me when I read it was from a book, thinking that it wasn't available online. Now I realize it's the same book by Doumani which we were already using in the article. (Head-slap! Doh.) Sorry for pestering you with the page number info.
I'll look over the "Culture" section in the Nablus article right now. Thanks for your help with Nabulsi soap and elsewhere. :) Tiamuttalk 20:11, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lebanon

What's happening? I just wanted to let you know that I hadn't forgotten about Beirut. I am just finishing up some work on the Louvre and Pied-Noir, hoping to get both the GA/FA. Hope all is well! Lazulilasher (talk) 14:29, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] An importunate request

Dear Al Ameer son. I gather you are based in the U.S., which is well-stocked with libraries. My own relevant one is in another continent, which I won't be visiting for some months to retrieve information requested (I think improperly) of me, and wondered whether you yourself have the info, or could, over the next months, make a quick check in a library you may be visiting for your own reaons? This is an indecent thing to ask of people, I know, and if you cannot manage it, no problem. It only means it will take me a year to do an edit, instead of a few months. User:Ynhockey at Deir Yassin questions a remark Chomsky made in both his Fatal Triangle on the renaming of streets in the Deir Yassin areas with the names of military units from the Irgun or other forces involved in the destruction of that village. Chomsky refers us to his other work Towards a New Cold War,(1982) p. 465, (footnotes) for the sources to back his statement. I do have a copy, but on the other continent. According to Ynhockey, Israeli maps now register no such names. Unusual. Chomsky is very particular with his sources. Anyway, if in the next several months, an opportunity crosses your way to check that book and page, and send me on a note on the sources Chomsky quotes for this statement (probably Israeli newspapers) I would deeply appreciate it. If it is a bother, my apologies. Finest regards Nishidani (talk) 17:05, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks pal. (Copied from my page) Thanks chaps. I won't pull this one on either of you often (once a decade's just under indecent). If there's anything info wise, or otherwise, where I can appear to afford possible help and save you time, Robert's a close relative here also, so call anytime. Best wishes Nishidani (talk) 18:50, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Ma'amoul.JPG

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[edit] My edit of you private page

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[edit] Yasir Arafat

Hello, Al Ameer son! I am finally done with the Norwegian translation of the Yasser Arafat article. It has been fun and challenging, but the effort pays off in the end. One last question from me: In the introduction, it says "In the late 1960s and early 1970s, Fatah faced off with Jordan in a brief civil war". Is civil war a correct word for this struggle? Who stood up against Fatah, except the Jordanian authorities? Cheers, JohnnyGoodfella (talk) 11:38, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

No, sorry, I'm not sure. I will let you know if I come up with a better one. JohnnyGoodfella (talk) 15:34, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Micky Rosenfeld

Hi. I was wondering if you can review the AfD page for this article and then offer your advice. Thanks. Stanley011 (talk) 22:47, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Neutrality tag

It was because of the title. In my opinion (and this is only opinion), an incident doesn't count as a massacre unless the killing was intentional. The death and injury of those Palestinian children was tragic, but accidental. What do you think? Czolgolz (talk) 00:00, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Ah, the eternal battle over words. We can call it what we like, but a bunch of people are still dead.

"The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of a million is a statistic." --Josef Stalin Czolgolz (talk) 00:07, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Opinion required

Asalamualikum. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Battle_of_Yarmouk The strength of armies at battle of yarmuk is disputed. Early sources mentioned the size to be around 200,000-240,000 which are certainly highly exaggrated. Modern estimates are as follows:

  • History of palestine, by Gil and Broido (1997): 100,000.
  • Donner (1981): 100,000.
  • David Chandler: 100,000
  • Kennedy (2006, p. 145): 80,000.
  • Mango, Cyril (2002). The Oxford History of Byzantium. 80,000
  • David nicolle, Yarmouk 636. 50,000
  • Kindersley, 80,000
  • Andre Corvisier 80,000
  • Yarmouk university, department of history, jordan. says; 125,000
  • Agha Ibrahim Akram: 150,000
  • M. Athar Zaidi (Expansion of Islam, Centre for Historical Studies, Jawaharlal Nehru University Dehli): 100,000-120,000
  • Ibn Rais ( Rise of Caliphate from BOĞAZİÇİ UNIVERSITY, department of history, Turkey.): 100,000

Looking at the lower ends, most of the sources places numbers to be around 80,000-100,000. Now what the dispute is, it is that User:Wiki1609 insist that the army size should be placed to be 20,000-25,000 claiming that Kegri and Haldon mentioned this size in there book for byzantine army at yarmuk. Though i have showed upon him that this size was for the muslim armies not for the byzaitne army and they just simply avoided stating any size for byzantine arm,y clearly and thus mentioned that "byzantine outnumbered arabs".... he still insist that leaving all historians behind these two must be preffered over all ! Now third party is invited and it wants a opinion of other users, you are invited to express your views. It must be noted that 5 byzantine expedition armies were sent by heraculis to rollback syria with there won different objects, the retreat of muslim armies with out fight, from all over syria to yarmuk, forced those 5 armies to gather near yarmuk and thus battle of yarmuk was fought. The size of usuall byzantine expedition force use to be 15,000-30,000 in that era. Regards. Mohammad Adil (talk) 09:40, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

Thank you Al Ameer son - most generous! --Ian Pitchford (talk) 15:09, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

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[edit] aqaba

Hi Al Ameer son, Yes, we should definitely merge your article with my aqaba article. Since my article has more "meat" and is updated with the current demolition crisis, I suggest that we take facts from yours and insert them into mine and eventually delete your entry. The most striking discrepency is regarding the population. This is a small village - 45-50 structures - there is no way it has 6,000 people. Your figure must be referring to a much larger area. So we'll figure that out. My sources tell me the situation is frantic there and they're doing everything they possibly can, including contacting US State Dept and Congressional members and media, to save the village. I am following the situation. All the best, SelfEvidentTruths (talk) 03:35, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] what do you think about the Aqaba, West Bank - Aqaba, Jordan controversy?

Just as I expected somebody vandalized the agreed-upon Aqaba Disambiguation Page and now when you search "Aqaba" you only get Jordan. Can you help? I see this as vandalism. Both are spelled the same way in Arabic, both are in the Middle East, and although the Jordanian Aqaba has more population, the one garnering Israeli and international attention now is Aqaba, West Bank. So my proposal that Aqaba (and all other spellings of it) will lead to a Aqaba (Disambiguation page) which I created is the fairest way to deal with this. I've seen this on other WP pages when places have identical names (see, e.g., Silver Spring). Can you help resolve this controversy? SelfEvidentTruths (talk) 22:35, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

See my reply to your note on my talkpage. SelfEvidentTruths (talk) 15:18, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nablus on hold

Hi there: Great work on Nablus. I placed the article on hold, as the only issues raised are extremely minor. The article is very comprehensive and informative. Nice work. Let me know when you're ready. Oh, I also edited the Palestinian muni infobox template so that it now allows the use of a location map, which can be used in any article. I hope that helps you. Lazulilasher (talk) 18:20, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] You deserve this

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
for your substantive contributions to ME topics; lately for turning Nablus into a very decent article, Regards, Huldra (talk) 22:33, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Nablus GA

Hey there! I'm just coming around to notify you that I've promoted Nablus to GA. Excellent work. As for FA, my recommendation would be to work on distilling the text, which tends to be difficult for me...All in all, the article has the makings of an FA and I hope you continue to improve it!

Congrats to you! It was my pleasure to offer what little I could and I'm happy you were happy with the results. Sad to have to tell you though, that I will not be around for the next little while as much as I would like to be. I took up a job on an intensive short-term contract that will not leave me much time to edit (to heart's delight) here. I'll try to pop in as much as possible, particularly since I would definitely like to be able to help in getting Nablus to FA status. Happy editing! Tiamuttalk 18:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Heh, I'm with you on that one. If only our bosses understood the importance of spending hours of a working day editing articles on Wikipedia. I'll be around if you need any assistance, as well, although I would point out that I am still caught up in Pied-Noir and the Louvre...but hopefully things will get taken care of over there. Lazulilasher (talk) 00:38, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Khutba

You're welcome.

Is there any other important Islam article that needs expansion? I'm currently working on waqf, and plan on working on jumuah, ibadat, tawwakul.

If you something more important in mind, I'd love to work on it.Bless sins (talk) 02:58, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to help.Bless sins (talk) 04:04, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the corrections

Wow, I really made a lot of mistakes with the Bakri entry, guess I'm tired. Thanks for getting right on them and fixing up 'Operation Defensive Shield" etc., in my addition of Jenin Jenin.LamaLoLeshLa (talk) 06:04, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Arab citizens of Israel

Renaming Arab Israelis to Arab Citizens of Israel has come up again. Want to cast your vote?LamaLoLeshLa (talk) 07:32, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

It's at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 May 7. In the beginning, it was moving towards renaming it Arab citizens of Israel.LamaLoLeshLa (talk) 18:48, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Beit Amrin

One more thing - do you think Beit Amrin (between Nablus and Tul Karem) is 'worthy' of note?LamaLoLeshLa (talk) 07:34, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree, all are of note. Just wondered if you knew if it had any particular historical importance in the fights with the British or during the first intifada due to its topography, its location towards the end of a range of hilltops, with a long valley below it? I had heard stories from people there, but didn't know if their insistence on the reputation of the 'fighters of Beit Amrin' was just local pride. Unfortunately, I don;t have much info on the village anymore - I used to have stats on the village but unfortunately they are were all on paper and I am now in another country...LamaLoLeshLa (talk) 18:57, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jifna village council

Good to hear from you, I'm always pleased to have news from Jifna. I've copyedited the village council paragraph, but there are one or two points I'm not clear about:-

Is the head of the council called mayor or chairman? You use both terms. Is it that the mayor is chairman of the council? If so, this should be made clear in the table.
The term "vice-precedence" is new to me, and doesn't really have a meaning in English. Is it the local term for vice-chairman? If so I think this should be explained.
You say Badil won "most" of the council seats, and that Fatah has "some" support. Is it possible to be more precise?.

Good wishes Brianboulton (talk) 10:46, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tuqu'

Updated DYK query On 23 May 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Tuqu', which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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[edit] Kammaneh and other villages

Are you at all aware of the history of some of these Arab villages in the Galilee and elsewhere such as Kfar Bara (near Kfar Kassem). I am doing some research on them and, for instance with Kammaneh, it is a relatively recent village and I would like to know the origins of the people that live there (i.e Bedouins? Migrants? Refugees?). If you could email me at sfrantzman@hotmail.com, I would appreciate it and we can communicate about this. I live in Jerusalem and would certainly be interested also in your family history, Seth J. Frantzman (talk) 12:58, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

A subject you might interest yourself in, although there is not much on the web as I can tell, is the Hebronite immigration to Jerusalem which has taken place since before 1948 but especially after. If you are interested in clans and families I would think this might be interesting, especially if you are knowledgeable about the demographic changes in Bethlehem.Seth J. Frantzman (talk) 20:55, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Haifa

Thank god someone has added something, anything, about Arab Haifa. I didn't know enough to do it myself. LamaLoLeshLa (talk) 00:47, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Just want to add: your diligent addition of town by town is really very impressive. While of course there is a need to add a great deal more to each entry, it's fantastic that you've gotten things started.LamaLoLeshLa (talk) 21:03, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] can you chip in on the debate about deletion of my article?

Hi Al Ameer, An article that I created - Letter of British Jews on 60th anniversary of Israel has caught the ire of some WPians who want to control what people are allowed to read. Can you join the debate (and get others to join too)? thanks, SelfEvidentTruths (talk) 15:40, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Two towns

There is a town called Mi'ilya, and it is indeed not the same as Ma'alot-Tarshiha. Mi'ilya is a Christian Arab town just west of Tarshiha, on Highway 89. It has a population of 2,700. Profile page. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 15:48, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kafr Misr

The detail you have is probably right if it's from the municipal site. What I wrote was a direct translation of the Hebrew article (which is probably wrong given your evidence - may have been a misunderstanding as a couple of the other villages were also listed as being founded by the Zoabi family). Please add what you have to the article. пﮟოьεԻ 57 11:27, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ras al-Ein

Thanks for your correction of the capitalization. The source of my error: I carefully copied the spelling as it appeared in Latin letters in the info box of Ras al-Ein in the Hebrew Wikipedia. In light of your correction here, I tried but apparently don't know how to correct the "Name in English" text of that infobox and will have to consult with a senior editor there. Otherwise, based on your correction, I've fixed the template I created here yesterday and also the Misgav Regional Council page. -- Deborahjay (talk) 12:07, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] About your views from the Userpage

I've read your political opinions and i have a few things to tell you about them:

  • You're living in Fantasy-Land if u're thinking that jordanians, lebanese, and syrians will live in harmony in the future. (remember September 1970? or how about Tel al-Zaatar massacre? and thats even without mentioning the israeli factor in all this mess.
  • And as for democracy in the middle east - while i'm hopeful for the future, my Realpolitik side of me forces me to recognize the fact that arabs live in peace only under one condition: A brutal despotic autoritarian regime that doesn't let them to do more than squeak about their daily problems.

And for last i have only this thing to tell u: (taken from google translator) هنا هو اسرائيل ، وانها موجودة لتبقى! (translation to english: Israel is here, and it's here to stay!) --Oren neu dag (talk) 23:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Just a small note on the difference between the crusaders and us: while the crusaders only fought for the liberation of the Holy Sepulchre, they didn't really know what to do with it afterwards. So yes they left a few garrison forces here an there, but they didn't really immigrated into the area and transformed it to a christian country. (the historical evidence shows that there was no change for the daily life in palestine at the time and that after the first conquest, life just went on as they were before).
And as for the creation of the State of Israel - we did made some things that will be hard to undo them: first we changed the demographical balance between Jews and Arabs, Second we changed the language in which ppl speak in this land from arabic to hebrew, and last but not least, we built new cities and towns all across the land.
All that plus the fact that we do have historical connection to the land of Israel only proves the fact that Israel is here, and it's here to stay!.
And btw, i'm not offended by the fact that you posted your views on your userpage, on the contrary, i think this only gives us a chance for a dialogue. --Oren neu dag (talk) 13:49, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tantura massacre

Sorry to take up your time but I need some help with resolving an issue on the Tantura massacre page The Tantura massacre page is getting vandalised by Gilabrand (talk who appears to only want the Katz controversy as the topic and not anything to balance the article. As you seem to be more involved with Palestinian issues maybe you would know how I should go about making a complaint of vandalism against Gilabrand. other wise it will be a edit war issue.Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 09:01, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Weird, I thought that Gilabrand's edits were sensible. So far the only one who supported the massacre claim was Katz himself and the extreme-left historian Pappe. In such a case, the article cannot possibly display their assertions as fact, as it tried to do in the past. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 09:09, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Incorrect Katz never mentioned massacre in his thesis. The details of the massacre are supported by the interview tapes themselves which are still in existence.

If you look at the article I wrote you will find no details which are available of the taped confessions. I had included the Katz controversy where as Gilabrand has omitted any details of the village and merely shortened the article to the katz controversy. You may wish to reduce the sum total of human knowledge but most people prefer to extend learning.

The original article was:- Tantura Massacre.

Tantura (the Peak) lies 35 kilometres south of Haifa and lay within the area designated, by the United Nations, for the Jewish State. The village houses stood on a low limestone hill overlooking the shoreline of 2 small bays. The water was supplied from a well in the eastern part of the village. A road suitable for auto-mobiles led to Haifa Highway. The village was one of the most developed in the region. Fourteen villagers were government employees as Policemen, custom officials and clerks at the Haifa magistrates court. Several had been involved in the Arab Revolt (3 had been killed in a battle with the British close to the village). Shortly after the hostilities broke out the wealthier families fled for the safety of Haifa. Of the 1,650 villages approximately 1,200 remained to get on with their lives making a living from field crops and vegetables, some orchards and large scale fishing.[1]

After the fall of Haifa the Haganah the villages on the slopes of Carmel had been harassing the Jewish traffic on the main road to Haifa.

On the 11 May 1948 Ben-Gurion convened the “Consultancy” the outcome of the meeting is confirmed in a letter to commanders of the Haganah Brigades telling them that the Arab legion's offensive should not distract their troops from the principle tasks:

"‘the cleansing of Palestine remained the prime objective of Plan Dalet” [2]

The attention of the commanders of the Alexandroni Brigade was turned to reducing the Mount Carmel pocket. Tantura being on the coast gave the Carmel villages’ access to the outside world and so was chosen as the point to surround the Carmel villages as a part of the Coastal Clearing offensive operation in the beginning of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

On the night of 22-23 May 1948 1 week and 1 day after the declaration of Independence of the State of Israel the coastal village of Tantura was attacked and occupied by the Alexandroni Brigade of the Haganah.

The Katz Controversy. The Tantura massacre was described by Theodore Katz in a master's thesis, where he alleged that Israeli forces massacred 200-250 unarmed civilians — mostly young men, allegedly prisoners of war.[3]

However, this claim was disputed by other Israeli historians such as Benny Morris [4] and Yoav Gelber [5] as well as, veterans of the Alexandroni Brigade.[6] Veterans sued Katz for libel, and he recanted his claims.[6] Katz’s mentor and close friend Ilan Pappé continued to defend him.[6] A planned excavation of a claimed grave was mentioned in 2004 but no actual excavation is described.[4]

Post Katz The case was made in the Katz debate that eyewitness statements made some time after the event were no substitute for contemporaneous “Documentary” evidence. However the “Katz interviews” of 20 Palestinians and 20 Israeli participants (some of who recanted there interviews although most didn’t) are still extant and independently verified the details.

But as Eli Shimoni, senior Officer in the Alexandroni Brigade reported to Maariv on 4 February 2001:-

I have no doubt a massacre took place in Tantura. I did not go out into the streets and shout it about. It is not exactly something to be proud of. But once the affair was publicised, one should tell the truth. After 52 years, the State of Israel is strong and mature enough to confront its past.[7]

Most refugees fled to the nearby town of Fureidis.[8] Ultimately most of the refugees were expelled from the Jewish State territory to territory under Arab League control and only 171 mainly women and children remained in Furaydis.

In the standard practise of de-Arabisation of the new state the name Tantura was destroyed along with the village and the Israeli kibbutz of Nahsholim and Dor were built upon the towns’ land.[8].[9]

There's nothing unbalanced in that also Gilabrand does not offer any portion to the post Katz work on the Tantura massacreAshley kennedy3 (talk) 09:21, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

That's the point, the article was significantly broken - it described Tantura in detail, an info which belongs in the al-Tantura article. Also it used PalestineRemembered.com as a source, which should not be done for anything remotely disputed. So, it's safe to remove almost all the info from the original article, which Gilabrand did. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 10:00, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

The information on Town statistics is not controversial. The article is about the Tantura massacre not the Katz controversy, If you think the Katz controversy needs an article that can be written up.Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 11:29, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I think some of the info on the village history should remain to provide background for the incident. Actually all of the information in the lead is useful. As for the source, I agree Palestine Remembered is not reliable for controversial things like massacres, but the town statistics and facts is surely true, due to it being referenced by other sources. Some of these sources you could find in the website's bibliography and use directly from there such as Sami Hadawi's land and population surveys. --Al Ameer son (talk) 16:11, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kafr Qaddum

Thanks Dude, it was starting to piss me off==

SHAQI P —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaqip (talk • contribs) 23:05, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mabahith

Salam, Al Ameer son, as this article is lacking the Arabic spelling, could you please say, how it is written in Arabic characters ? Kind regards, Sarcelles (talk) 15:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)