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This is NOT A LANGUAGE! It is a cipher. --138.88.222.29 21:06, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • In real life, it's a cipher. In the game, it's a language. Kappa 21:12, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Either it changes over the two years between FFX and FFX-2 or the write was wrong. In FFX Rikku says cunno before punching Tidus in the stomach and cunno means sorry, but according to this it says cunno would mean lihhu. Cannsam11 19:05, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Never mind, I looked again and saw that it was English to Al Bhed, not Al Bhed to English.

What I really want to know is what al bhed was like when the games were in Japanese. Most likely, it was probably this english-based system, that when heard and seen by Japanese players, it would be very hard to distinqish from "just a cypher". Blueaster 00:02, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] The greatest myth about the Al Bhed language

Subjects can be translated into Al Bhed, and usually are; exceptions (besides proper nouns) are very rare, and frequently include words that take alternate meanings from ours in the world of Spira ("fiend", "magic", and "airship" are the only examples that come to mind.) --HeroicJay 06:54, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] in the spoiler section

.... it says that the summoner dies upon recieving the final aeon, which is wrong. The summoner dies later, though I forget if its upon summoning the aeon or after the aeon defeats Sin (is this even covered in the game? in the Yevon article, it says that Yevon kills the summoner when combining with the final aeon, but I don't recall this being in the game).

Htl2001 15:53, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

You're right, receiving the Final Aeon itself doesn't kill the summoner - I was wrong on that. In the scene at Home, Rikku says that summoning the Final Aeon kills the summoner:
Rikku: The pilgrimages have to stop! If they don't, and they get to Zanarkand... They might defeat Sin. Yunie could...but then she... Yunie will die, you know? You know, don't you? Summoners journey to get the Final Aeon. Yuna told you, didn't she? With the Final Aeon, she can beat Sin. But then...but then... If she calls it, the Final Aeon's going to kill her! Even if she defeats Sin, it will kill Yunie too, you know!
Later, Yunalesca confirms it:
Yunalesca: There is nothing to fear. You will soon be freed of worry and pain. For once you call forth the Final Aeon, your life will end. Death is the ultimate and final liberation. Your father, Braska, chose this path.
Looking through the game script, I couldn't find anything about Yu Yevon killing the summoner while combining with the Final Aeon, and the conversation with the Fayth of Bahamut says nothing about it. I don't know where the Yevon article is getting this information from, but for now I think I'm going to go with what the characters say above. If you can find anything that indicates otherwise, do tell! -- Saikiri 16:29, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
The Yevon article I find other strange things that I don't remember - but that can be attributed to the fact that I only played the game at a friend's, and never saw the ending properly. Specificly, Yevon as Yunalesca's father... I'll stop there because I will be going off topic. I'll post something in the Yevon discussion about this
Htl2001 16:57, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Gravaton Geomatrix drive

User 203.62.10.9, I took out your mention of a Gravaton Geomatrix drive - nothing personal, I just didn't find a reference to it in the game script, therefore is it official? (Or actually necessary for that matter =) )

Certainly not necessary, but not even mentioned anywhere as far as I know, and I didn't miss a single thing in Final Fantasy X in terms of the script. If there ever was a proof to its origins, we would gladly accept this fact, but not necessarily include it. DarkEvil 20:11, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] FFX Wiki Cleanup

After the merger with the Pyreflies article, I've been thinking "Do we really need all these FFX pages?" I know FFX goes into a lot more detail about the world than most Final Fantasy games, to say nothing of how much more detail it goes into than most games in general. That said, despite all that's been done to improve it, Wikipedia looks like a Final Fantasy fansite. Cloud's page looks like a biography, Advent Children's looks like the reports that came out of Venice when the film was first screened there, just yesterday I had to merge Ultima Weapon with Weapons, and here we've got eight pages talking about Final Fantasy X alone; that's not including character pages:


I'm not excluding the other Final Fantasies from this either. Final Fantasy VIII and Final Fantasy IX are actually decently condensed, I believe, but Final Fantasy VII is another guilty offender. Until recently, the bloody Sister Ray even had its own article, Midgar should be merged with List of Final Fantasy VII Locations, and Materia should be merged with Mako.

I'm going to be making some proposals over on the Final Fantasy VII pages too, but here, I think the following ideas should be considered:


I'm for the Yevon page staying, and if there's a lot of objections to the Final Fantasy X Original Soundtrack page being merged out of individuality, so be it (can't see what there is to say about it that can't be said on the Final Fantasy X page, though); that would still take us from eight down to four.

I haven't even looked at the character pages that much, really, but I'm not going to worry about them for now. What's everyone's thoughts on this stuff? (Please direct discussion of these matters to the Final Fantasy X Talk Page) Ryu Kaze 08:48, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge with Races of Final Fantasy

My views on this can be found here (moved over there from over here). Ryu Kaze 00:34, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

And moved back here Renmiri 15:11, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The latest discussion

See Talk:Al Bhed/Archive_1 for beginning

There is of course another possibility: merge this article into FF, and then create a smaller article specifically about the Al Bhed language. Whether the existence of such an article is merited would depend on several factors, and I'm not able to tell right away. —IJzeren Jan In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij 17:58, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Seems to me that the problem is that constructed languages, including but not limited to Al Bhed, are getting the shaft by being on a page that is merely a list of languages. Both Jan and Kappa are correct, the subject deserves much more than the current laundry list without narrative. How about both Jan and Kappa fix the problem at the source, i.e, at the place to talk about constructed languages ? Renmiri 02:08, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
So should we go ahead with reinstituting the merge or give it another day? The info that was in the Al Bhed section over on the Races of FF page can still be easily retrived from the history page. Ryu Kaze 19:33, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Let me leave a note at Kappa's page, we should not do the same we complained about Renmiri 23:41, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess you're right. As Ghandi said, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." Ryu Kaze 01:44, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Sigh... No response... I suggest we follow IJzeren Jan suggestion and leave the language stuff in a new page Al Bhed language with category languages and merge our stuff. What do you guys think ? Renmiri 20:39, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
    • I agree, but I'm a little skeptical about leaving the page about the language intact. If it were there, I'd have no problem, but we could merge that with an FFX terms article. maybe? Crazyswordsman 01:31, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, for now, I agree that this is the best thing. Perhaps later it can be merged somewhere more appropriate. Ryu Kaze 13:39, 6 March 2006 (UTC)