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[edit] Muhammad

Hi Al-Zaidi. Could you please give us your opinion re whether Muhammad established islam or not? There's a debate right here Talk:Muhammad. Cheers -- Szvest 17:21, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indian Sub continent Zaidis

Hi Al-Zaidi. I would like to gain information of Zaidis present in Yemen. Can u please provide me some. Because me (also Zaidi) belongs to Indian Sub-Continent and our genealogical tree roots to Zaid ibn Imam Zainul Abedeen ibn Imam Husayn. Thanks Zaidi 15:44, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Some Zaidis are known as Wasitis. Zayd ibn Ali was martyred in Kufa, Iraq, many of his descendents either returned to al-Hijaz or remained in Iraq. Some of those who stayed in Iraq settled in Wasit. Some descendants from Wasit then moved to the Indian subcontinent. These Zaidis believe in twelve Imams and are part of the Shia Ithna Asharia. Most of them settled in India and Pakistan. The biggest group of Zaidis believing in twelve Shia Imams is known as Saadat-e-Bara. Saadat means descendant of the Prophet Muhammad and Bara means twelve in Hindi and Urdu. Saadat-e-Bara's numbers are highest in Karachi (Pakistan) and Muzaffarnagar (India).

NOTE* The Descendents of Zaid that stayed in Iraq and then moved to the subcontinent have the last name Zaidi. Zaid's descendent that returned to Al-Hijaz and then travelled to al-Asir and Sana'a have the last name Al-Zaidi. Basically Those who have the last name Zaidi are from the Subcontinent and those who have Al-Zaidi are Arab. Sub continent zaidis are not to be confused with the zaidis of Yemen. In Yemen there are two types of Zaidis: Al-Zaidis whom are descendents of Zaid ibn Ali and Zaidis, whom are followers of the Zaidi Fiqh

Al-Zaidi

[edit] Zaidis

Well that info relates with Indian Zaidis. What about Yemeni Zaidis? Regards,,

Do yemeni al-zaidis are fivers or twelvers. ?

One last question if u dont mind. what is the present status of Yemeni Zaidi. mean to say who is their (your) current imam. because we Indian Zaidis (including myself the 39 descendent of Zaid ibn Ali ibn Husayn) are twelver shia and our current imam is Al-Mehdi. Zaidi

Like i said there are two types of Zaidis in Yemen, Al-Zaidis whom are descendents of Zaid and Zaidis who are the followers of the Zaidi Fiqh Fivers. There are Al-Zaidis who are Fivers and those who are Twelvers. As for the Fivers, the Imamate is still open since the last Zaidi Imam of 1967 CE. Any Sayyid who is a jurist and is sane has all five senses and will fight against tyranny can be the imam. Al-Zaidi


[edit] Yemen population

Greetings Al-Zaidi,

on Yemen page, you wrote:
Yemenis are divided into two principal Islamic religious groups: 42-48% Shi'a and 49-55% Sunni. This is broken up as: 30-40% of the Zaidi order of Shi'a Islam, 8-15% of the Ja'fari and Isma'ili orders of Shi'a Islam, and 55% of the Shafi'i order of Sunni Islam.

However, you didn't mention your resources, so please write your references in the references section. I think the numbers you wrote are big ones, so I really want to know your resources.

With my best regards,
Aymx (Don't imitate, innovate)


"Religion: Sunni Muslim 55%, Shi'a Muslim 42%" Yemen Embassy in Canada [[1]]

Oman 60,000 2.2% Saudi Arabia 1,400,000 5.5% Yemen 15,000,000 73% Total 17,000,000 [[2]]

religious affiliation: Muslim 99,9% (of which Sha'fi-Sunnî 53%; Zaydi-Shî'î 47%) [[3]]

Al-Zaidi



[edit] 86.108.118.165

Assalaamu alaykum,

Just wanted to note that I've moved your discussion with 86.108.118.165 from Talk:Yemen to User talk:86.108.118.165. That way he will see a message informing him he has comments the next time he edits. For your information, if you see an unsigned comment on a talk page, use the page history to get their IP and the time of the edit, and add it after the comment using Template:unsigned2. That way you get a convenient link to their talk page for people to add comments.

Maas salaama, Earle Martin [t/c] 10:00, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The rafidi and nasibi articles

I just worked over the nasibi article -- it was completely garbled, probably by an anonymous editor I call the Angry Bahraini and AnonMoos calls the Iraqi Dinar Vandal. Any mention of the terms rafidi and nasibi seems to enrage him and he has been garbling both articles (as well as following me and AnonMoos around WP reverting anything we write). I stripped the article of anything save the fact that the term is a term of abuse. It would be nice to have a cite showing how it is used.

Now I have to go check the rafidi article. He probably got that one too. I think it's important to have the terms in WP, so that someone doesn't read them on a website and use them without knowing that they're offensive to some. (As I did.) Zora 19:26, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Human rights in Yemen

Salam,

We need your opinion here Talk:Human_rights_in_Yemen. Thank you Jidan 15:04, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

The Human Rights situation in Yemen is trivial because there was a media ban on the events that occurred in the Sa’dah governorate. The Human Rights issue in Yemen is not limited to one sect or creed. Women's rights as well as the rights of journalists have been an issue with the Yemeni government since even before the Sa’dah events. As for the situation between the Shi'i and Sunni in Yemen, it is varied across Yemen. Within the Sunni realm, there is an increase of people, mostly men, shifting from the Shafi'i school to the Salafi-Wahhabi version of Islam. It is also true that even some of the Zaidi youth have been known to shift to the Salafi-Wahhabi version of Islam. The reason for this shift is due to two reasons: in the former South Yemen, a Marxist regime took control, and religion was an element that was disallowed in a Communist state. Saudi Arabia funded a mass effort to maintain Islam in South Yemen. The version of Islam that was propagated was not Shafi'i but the Salafi-Wahhabi version of Islam. After Unification, there was no need to continue the mass effort in South Yemen. The resources were then shifted to the Northern tribal areas, where Zaidism was in the majority. Thus one of the largest and well funded Salafi-Wahhabi institutions, the Dar al-Hadeeth House Center, was built in Dammaj in the Sa‘dah governorate, the heartland of the Zaidis. It is obvious that tensions would arise in this type of situation. The problem today has several layers, the fall of Saddam's regime in Iraq, did cause an influx of Iraqi military personnel to obtain advisory positions in the Yemeni army. President Saleh and Saddam were good friends, hence President Saleh's support for Iraq in the 2nd Gulf War in 1991. This relationship allowed the Ba'thists to gain a larger base of operations in Yemen. They do have positions in the government just as the Salafi-Wahhabis and Zaidis. In Yemen the majority of Shi'is are Zaidi but there is a growing number of Ja'faris since the 1980s. The Ja'fari community in Yemen before the 1980s was minimal, with the mass influx of Shi'i books from Iran and the Shi'i workers from Iraq, the Ja'faris have a stable community in Sana'a and Ma'rib. As for the Shi'i Human Rights issue, there are several elements: from 1962-70, there was a civil war in North Yemen, after which there was the establishment of the Yemen Arab Republic. Once this happened all funding of Zaidi schools from the government ceased. Religious schools were shut down and the teachings of the Zaidi sect were limited to their mosques. The generic form of Islam became Sunnism due to the large number of Yemeni workers returning from the Gulf States in the 1990s, who were influenced by the Islam of the Gulf States. In Yemen the Salafi-Wahhabi institutions received funding from Saudi Arabia, thus they were allowed to continue teaching in their institutes. The lack of funds and schools is the first element for the decline in Zaidism. By contrast it is true that Ja'fari Shi'ism is increasing but just like the Zaidis they have been threatened by the Sa'dah events. The Sa’dah events start with the rebellion of al-Houthi, he was a Zaidi cleric that fought against the Yemeni government because he claims that the Yemeni government is cooperating with the US and Israel. This led to a mass effort by the Yemeni military to sweep all support away from al-Houthi by exercising violent military might. This is where the Human Rights question is raised. The actions of the army are akin to that of the Ba'thists in Iraq and the Wahhabi extremists. There has been a media ban issued on the Sa'dah events and journalists who have written on the subject have been jailed. The actions taken by the military and security personnel were not limited to the al-Houthi supporters; they included acts against Zaidi villages and Ja’faris. Security personnel denied Ja'fari scholars like Sheikh ‘Ala ad-Din al-Mousawi to return to Yemen from his trip to UAE. In 1999, the Fatima al-Zahra mosque, in the al-Haraja village of the Khawlan Zaidi tribe was shelled. Closing institutions, confiscating Shi'i books and the jailing of Zaidi clerics on Eid ul-Ghadeer in 2005, are all examples of actions taken by the military forces. It is true that Ayatullah Sistani in Najaf but also Ayatullah Ruhani in Mashhad have voiced concern because there are reports that the military personnel are harassing villagers, killing innocent civilians indiscriminately, shelling and bombing of villages and the confiscation of Shi’i books like the Najh al-Balagha of ‘Ali ibn Abu Talib and as-Sahifah as-Sajjadiyah of ‘Ali ibn Hussain, that are in turn being burned. Thus there is evidence of misconduct on the part of the military personnel regarding Human Rights violations. These violations have led to many accusations of “genocide”. This however is to be decided by the United Nations Human Rights Council. Al-Zaidi 7:07, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Thank you ver much for your very informative entry. Good luck in your thesis! ;) Jidan 14:11, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Shi'as in Yemen

Hello al-Zaidi. I want to be informed on how Shi'as are treated in Yemen. Any trouble? KlakSonnTalk 22:50, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your username

Pleas don't move your user page into the article space. If you want to change your name then go to Wikipedia:Changing username and ask there. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 15:50, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please do not insert yahoo news text into Recent single origin hypothesis again

You inserted a copy of the text at [4] to the article which I just removed. It's a great finding, but let's cite the actual paper at Nature, not yahoo news. Also, please digest the findings and rewrite it in your own words before adding it to wikipedia. Fred Hsu 20:50, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I removed your newly rewritten section. I fail to see how it has any relation to the article in question. Perhaps you want to add it to H. erectus, H. habilis and human evolution. Fred Hsu 04:01, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Muslim Assyrians

Hello, thanks for creating this article. Would you like to do some work on it? Like, citing sources? Thanks. — EliasAlucard|Talk 18:35 21 Aug, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Invitation

Salam, Nice to meet you.

I invite you to participate in our task force on Shia Islam and add your name there. It is good fortune to have a Zaidi Shia there.--Seyyed(t-c) 15:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citation needed

Salam, Can you please add source for your edition[5].--Seyyed(t-c) 14:41, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I removed that sentence. However it's good to add it if you have a reliable source.--Seyyed(t-c) 05:35, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hazrat Fatimah

Salam, Please participate in the discussion instead of editorial war:Talk:Fatimah#unnecessary caveats. Thanks--Seyyed(t-c) 05:39, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Al-Zaidi, i would prefer it if we stuck to the pre-conflict version until you explain these changes in a little more detail. i have already stated why your representation of the EoI with regards to disagreements is not accurate, and why it is a NPOV violation to continually section things into Sunni/Shia views. let us defer our involvement in this dispute to the talk page, is that alright? ITAQALLAH 17:17, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Al-Zaidi, please stop this skewing of the sources and tendentious sectioning. Either discuss the matter properly on the talk page, or stop these robotic reverts. Thank you. ITAQALLAH 18:19, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Please discuss about your ideas in the Talk:Fatima Zahra instead of reverting and participating in the editorial wars. I have good experience in discussions with ITAQALLAH such as this one which finally led to good and stable result. Please pay attention to Image:Consensus new and old.svg which shows how do we build consensus in wikipedia. --Seyyed(t-c) 07:42, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Al-Zaidi, I am still waiting for you to explain these changes on the talk page in the light of the points I have raised. ITAQALLAH 02:21, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
There are two points on which i have acted: 1. EoI cites its sources of the Fatima article from Bukhari and Tirmidhi, thus it is only academically responsible to include the original citation in the Wikipedia article. By simply citing EoI when the original sources are available does not serve any independant article or stands to the scrutiny of primary sourcing. Thus the full citation that i have included links Wikipedia to the original source of claim of the EoI. 2. This claim of EoI is sourced from the Hadith collections of Bukhari and Tirmidhi. These two along with other Hadith collections are from the historucal narrative of the Sunni schools of Islam. Hadith are not concrete undeniable sources, many are strong, whilst orthers are neutral or weak. Those sources in the Sunni Hadith may not be historically accurate and thus not accepted by the Shia collections. Vice versa, many Shia hadith are not considered accurate according to Sunni collectors. Thus we are in a situation where the historicity of the sources becomes an issue. Therefore, it is not only academically responsible for original citation but moreover it is our duty as academics to ensure that all avenues of factuality are presented so that the readers of the content will have a balanced view of the sequence of events. For example, the history of the Battle of Qadesh is presented very differently in Egyptian sources from their Hittite counterparts. Thus to avoid confusion and for the sake of clarity and academic integrity, both viewpoints are presented.Al-Zaidi
Thank you, Al-Zaidi. I have replied on the article talk page, and I would greatly welcome your continued participation in the discussion so that we can iron out the issues and come to a compromise. ITAQALLAH 14:29, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Al-Zaidi, you are continuing to misrepresent how the issue is presented by the Encyclopedia of Islam. It doesn't say "Sunnis claim," it's you who's painting it with that brush, based upon a flawed and incorrect generalisation about primary sources. ITAQALLAH 19:57, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

using neutral term "some"Al-Zaidi (talk) 02:35, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
If you want to use attribution, attribute it to the Encyclopedia of Islam (although, as it's a reliable source and the assertion isn't contested by other sources, it's not necessary). Not "some," which is weasel wording. Also, please stop forking the layout so as to remove the context provided by the Encyclopedia of Islam. ITAQALLAH 18:57, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Using term "certain" Al-Zaidi (talk) 12:13, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Which is also weasel wording and unencyclopedic given the nature of the EoI's coverage. You're reintroducing that redundant sectioning, which ultimately misrepresents how the issue is discussed by EoI - in which you are trying to delegitimise its assertion about the disagreement. ITAQALLAH 13:15, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Putting primary source "It is reported in Bukhari"Al-Zaidi (talk) 13:28, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
You're avoiding answering my concerns, making reverts without edit summaries, and not explaining why you've reintroduced this sectioning which misrepresents EoI. If you don't tackle the issues at hand it's unlikely that we'll be able to agree to a compromise. ITAQALLAH 13:35, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Honestly, Al-Zaidi, stop reverting without discussing or using edit summaries. ITAQALLAH 00:06, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Please stop assuming ownership of articles such as Fatimah. Doing so may lead to disruptive behavior such as edit wars and is a violation of policy, which may lead to a block from editing. Instead of repeatedly reverting changes come and discuss this on the talk page, please. I'd much prefer us reaching a consensus on the matter with your inclusion in the process, but if you keep doing this and get blocked that won't be an option. Peter Deer (talk) 00:34, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Salam

Assalam Allaykom (Peace be upon you)

i have noticed that you are a fellow Arab wiki-User , i would like to Invite you to Join the Arab Wiki Project.

our goals are to Increase the Public's Awarness and Develop Articles that are related to the Arab world, and help each others to achieve it, we are all good in certain things, so why not complete each others to make the Arab world a more Understood region for readers in Wikipedia...

i hope you join in, and get to explore the Project more, and add your name as a member in the Project...

Ma Assalama (Peace be with you)

--Arab League User (talk) 05:39, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Stop

What you are doing about Malta, it is wrong, they are not Arabs. - Cradashj (talk) 03:18, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I never said they were pure Arabs, I simply stated the facts, the Arabs ruled Malta from the 9th century to the Norman Conquest. There are even Arab gravestones on Gozo. Maltese is an Arabic dialect.Al-Zaidi (talk) 07:07, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
The Arabs and Muslims were sent out of Malta. Maltese are not arabic in any way. Malta is 98% Catholic. - Cradashj (talk) 20:27, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Being Christian doesn't mean you cannot be Arab. Being Arab doesn't mean you cannot be Christian since Lebanese, Iraqis, Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians, Egypt, Sicily, Sardinia, Calabria, Andalusia, and Yes Malta is no exception. In Spain there was the Inquisition, and Arabs became Catholic. During the Norman Conquest Arabs in Malta and Sicily became Catholic. If you read your history, you will see that being Arab and being in Europe is not impossible, the Roman Emperor Phillip was known as Phillip the Arab. Al-Zaidi (talk) 06:57, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
You're wrong, Maltese, Sicilian and others are not Arabs. I've read history, the Arabs was kicked out, many during Norman times, the rest during the Inquisition. You cannot try to say that a Maltese is the same as an Iraqi! Also Egyptian people are not actually Arabic either, they're ethnically Egyptians. We of Malta have our own culture as a European people... there is some similarity in language, but that is all, Italy has a huge influence instead. - Cradashj (talk) 10:32, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
I didn't say Maltese are Iraqi i said You can be Arab and Christian at the same time.Al-Zaidi (talk) 04:31, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Need Help

Dear Al-Zaidi... assalam alaykom

I need your support for the following Template deletion...

following this link [6]

the apparent situation is that some Assyrians have taken this as an insult to their non-Arab Identity, and wish to decrease the role of pan-Arabism in the everyday life of the average Arab in the Arab World...

please support this template that includes the 50 largest Arab cities, by supporting it to be kept.

ma3 esalamah

--Arab League User (talk) 23:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)