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[edit] So Whats The 'Legend'?

get this outta here and into a category for convicted criminals or something. FOUR TILDES 17:57, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

There are extensive legends about this guy. I certainly remember the wild and exaggerated stories that were told about him when I was a child. Marwood 16:49, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
maybe we could get some of those 'legends' on here so it could be justifyed that he be in the 'urban legens' article,maybe its regional or something? im from the U.S. and ive never even heard of this dude,so i thought by reading about him i would gain som knowledge of his 'legend',but i was left confused as to why he is included in this article.FOUR TILDES 17:58, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
The problem is, by their very nature, urban legends are unsubstantiated. And we have to be very careful about sourcing material for this article because of WP:BLP. Certainly there were lots of rumours and stories about "Purple Aki" in the Merseyside area in the 80s and 90s. Most of the ones I heard suggested that he kidnapped school children, and carved the initials 'PA' on their buttocks. I've since heard stories from other people involving murder and sexual assault. It was nonsense, but not total nonsense. There is a real 'Purple Aki', although his exploits (as described in the article) aren't nearly as graphic as the stories. Indeed the most notable thing about Akinwale Arobieke (and probably the only reason that he is notable enough for a Wikipedia entry, as the AfD has it) is that he is a rare case of an urban legend turned out to be based - at least in part - on fact.Marwood 18:29, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
so its impossible to refrence any of the 'legends' here so why dont we stick to the facts & move the article to 'murders' or something..know what i mean?FOUR TILDES 17:58, 29 June 2007 (UTC)(4 of em)
Because he isn't a convicted murderer. Or sex offender. He is already in the category of 'English Criminals' and the introduction to the article explains that he was believed to be an urban legend until he was actually arrested. I never believed he even existed, until I saw reports of his arrest appearing in the newpapers! And as I say, the only reason Aki is notable enough for a Wikipedia entry is that he is an Urban Legend which turned out to be true. What we really need is to find some verifiable sources reporting the existance of the legends, and add information on that basis. But so far (although I haven't looked very hard) I've turned up a blank. Marwood 18:27, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
I've attempted to write a NPOV and properly sourced section on the "Purple Aki" myths. It's a difficult line to walk, because obviously Akinwale Arobieke is a real person and so WP:BLP applies. But "Purple Aki" (though based upon Arobieke) is fiction, and exists only as folklore. And so most sources are blogs, forums etc. Stories like this don't find their way into university-type text books! I hope any serious objections can be discussed here. Marwood 20:07, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
we could have an article of stuff that he did do,then have a list of 'legends' that may be attributed to him.problem solved.

4tildes_7/3/2007_@4:07pm.

[edit] Conviction and successful appeal

I'm surprised there's no mention of the death of the boy at New Brighton station. Arobieke was convicted for playing some part in his death, and then won his appeal. I can't remember the details, but I've seen the law report. I'll try to find some citations.Thewilk 22:38, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

It's not mentioned, because there are no citations. The boy in question, Gary Kelly, supposedly electrocuted himself in New Brighton Station while trying to hide from Arobieke under a train. Everyone seems to know the story, but no-one can produce a reliable citation - only forums and reposts of earlier versions of this article 80.93.170.99 18:08, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I've added it, with a citation to the law report. Not sure if this is enough, if a link is needed there's one here http://sixthformlaw.info/02_cases/mod5/cases_assaults_actus.htm Thewilk 19:44, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Excellent, thanks. 80.93.170.99 12:54, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

why doesnt marwood read the godam thing proporly widnes is in halton he was banned from entering therfore banned from halton jeez louise

Two things. One, yes Widnes is in Halton. But he was banned from Widnes, not from Halton. Leeds is in England, if I'm banned from entering Leeds that doesn't mean I'm banned from entering England. Secondly, no citation was provided to demonstrate that his ban from entering anywhere has been lifted - only the ban from 'touching muscles'. Marwood 10:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion

Why is this page up for deletion?--194.81.33.39 13:21, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

KEEP - I vote against deletion Andrew Oakley 16:24, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Ermmm purple aki is fucking awesome do not delete fools

i say move this to another categoryFOUR TILDES 17:55, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Needs research to find correct crime

Sorry, I have to remove tags. Not exact crime as tagged. Wish I had more time to research this case and apply correct tag. I hope someone else will do the research.--FloNight 20:21, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

The article at the moment is very confusing. It labels Arobieke as a sex offender, but he was convicted of no sex crime. It says he was convicted of sexual harassment (he wasn't) of hundreds, and then in the next sentence says he was convicted on only 15 counts of harassment and one count of intimidation. 80.93.170.99 12:27, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name

I think this article should be called Akinwale Arobieke and leave this page as a redirect. Comments?Obina 14:05, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree. 80.93.170.99 12:27, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Why is this page marked for deletion? He is a real person well known throughout Merseyside.

[edit] purple aki

this man is a sexual preditor who terrorised young boys in birkenhead for years. The rumour about 'purple aki'chasing a young boy which ultimately led to his death is true. the boy was 15 years of age and had been harrassed by 'purple aki' for months. the boy was on a day out with friends in new brighton when purple aki turned up the boy was so terrified he ran to the train station where he had intended to hide from 'purple aki' he didnt jump or fall and he wasnt pushed he hid at the side of the train. not realising that the track was live. purple aki didnt not kill him but he instilled a fear into the boy that ultimately resulted in his death the name'purple aki' puts fear into boys all over the the north west its about time he should pay for what he has done.

I know - I live in New Brighton. But if you can find a reliable source for this, you're a better man than I am! And better than the Police, given that Aki was never convicted (I don't know that he was even charged) of killing Gary Kelly. The only references online mentioning Gary Kelly's death are people relating the story of Purple Aki in forums. 80.93.170.99 09:41, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 'Jacob Milroy'

I've removed this story from the article, as no citation has been provided, and no 'Jacob Milroy' exists on the UK electoral role. A google search doesn't turn up anything with reference to Aki except this article. 80.93.170.99 14:31, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] I deleted a small selection at the end...

That read something to the extent "He's a nigger and should be shot." Hope no one minds. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.169.180.102 (talk) 01:51, 22 January 2007 (UTC).


[edit] Can't be too careful

I try to be careful when scanning for vandalism and this is a good example. Looks unbelievable, made up, but true. Want to trade this judge for a judge in Florida? Shenme 08:48, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Maintenance

This article is practically impossible to maintain. Because of the nature of the subject matter, it's prone to vandalism from every idiot Scouser who thinks it is funny to put a comment saying that Arobieke abused their best mate/worst enemy and he/she enjoyed it. Surely it can be afforded from protection on this basis?? 80.93.170.99 18:11, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


The problem with keeping this page clean is that in many ways Purple Aki has become a local anti-hero. The legend of Aki is part and parcel of Liverpool Culture - and has now spanned two generations.(He's on Myspace now!) There have been frequent attempts on this page to mention elements of the legend of Aki, but often these are deleted due to them being unsourced and without reference, but this is the whole point of an urban myth! - There IS no proof! I've just tidied up a recent attempt to summarise the legend of Aki and hope it stays. Sadly, you will always get idiots abusing this page just like any other on Wikipedia.--Johncollinswork 18:53, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Surely, an encyclopaedia should be reporting the fact that myths exist (for which there is proof) rather than the content of the myths themselves (for which there is, as you say, none)? 80.93.170.99 17:03, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unsourced legend section

I have twice deleted the unsourced "Legend" section. This is a biography of a living person and thus higher standards of sourcing apply. I understand the difficulty in providing citations for urban legends, longstanding rumors, and other similar statements but that in way means that they can be added to this article without sufficient citations. --ElKevbo 20:41, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] newcastle appearances

just to let you know, purple aki did also appear in newcastle, well in wallsend to be precise. he felt my friend up in the KFC and bought him muscle magazines the following week. this is true. i was a witness to this. but this happened years ago, when we were still in highscool around 1999 or something like that. anyone else seen him in newcastle?

[edit] Edit war brewing

User:62.31.200.124 keeps removing a dead link from the 'history' section. I'm not going to revert the change again as I don't want to get into an edit war. If you're reading, 62.31.200.124, can you explain why you are removing the link? Marwood 12:42, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Dont know how to use this wiki thing that well so I'm just editing my reply into your post, I kept removing the link since its my blog and really dont want that many people reading it. Sorry to be a pain, I probably shouldnt have posted the thing in the first place if I didnt want people reading it.

As you've taken the article down, then no-one is going to be reading the blog post anyway. I'll look for a replacement link and swap it out as soon as I find one. Is that okay? Marwood 12:55, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I ried to replace it with this link http://www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php?PHPSESSID=b35129e3a4f80d076e77c05ae3f329d8&topic=1206.msg12351#msg12351 only I'm really crap at wiki. Could you fix it?

That link is no good, as it is actually a copy of an earlier version of this article. We can't cite ourselves! Marwood 13:08, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I've replaced it with some other citations. The whole section is very tentative and could well be on the wrong side of WP:BLP. Marwood 13:10, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

What we really need to understand here is hard to ditinguish between comments about the 'living person' Akinwale Arobieke, the 'alter-ego' Purple Aki (information on which is almost all opinion / folk myth). Obviously the two are the same and it's the legend 'Purps' that brings people to this great page.) Both information about Akinwale Arobieke and Purple Aki should remain on this page. There are tonnes of pages about urban myths on wikipedia without them being backed up by 'facts', by nature of them being myths.--Johncollinswork 20:07, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "unsubstantiated references"

Some references to discussions about the Purple Aki legend were recently removed as B3ta.com seems to have been taken as an unreliable source. For the biographical information about Akinwale Arobieke (which should be subject to WP:BLP, I would agree. But for the folklore/mythology of "Purple Aki" (as distinct from the real life Arobieke), then I'd contend so-called webzines like B3ta are suitable references. Marwood 20:47, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Far as I know, Purple Aki and Akinwale are the same people! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.152.245.152 (talk) 11:22, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Webzines are not suitable references. See WP:RS. Indeed, B3ta operates more like a BBS. I've removed these sources accordingly. Rklawton 14:59, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Can you suggest a better reference for urban myths and stories of this sort? As a general rule, I'd absolutely agree that B3ta is not a reliable source. However, as a source supporting myths like Purple Aki it seems ideal. We're not using B3ta to support "facts" here, we're citing people telling the fanciful stories they heard from their childhood. These stories are the only reason Arobieke is notable enough for a WP article at all. Although in all honesty, I still think this article should be deleted. 80.93.170.99 (talk) 18:12, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Current event

November 14[1] Rklawton 15:38, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] past criminal record

A precis of his past criminal record can be found in paras 44-57 of this court transcript from 2004. This is his appeal refusal relating to the 2003 conviction. 86.21.74.40 13:41, 16 November 2007 (UTC)