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[edit] AFD result - keep
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This article was nominated for deletion on December 19, 2005. The result of the discussion was keep. |
Robert 04:09, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
This article is obviously filled with POV and needs to be cleaned up--Paranda 22:01, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Nawab Muhammad Akbar Khan Bugti was a HERO of Pakistan, specially for Balochistan and Baloch Peoples, Baloch tribe man are very hard working and face the hardships with boldly. They love their land more then their lives. Every time cunner and rubber government of pakistan keep cunning them and keep Baloch tribe in darkness. From SUI Gas field country earn 100000 of dollars per day, but unfortunately Baloch peoples couldn't get any benefit even a clean drinking water from the government. Every time government kill the baloch peoples and spent money on their own luxries. Nawab Akbar Buagi was killed with gunship and bombing helicopters were used on 27th August 2006. Dead body militry took and still they keep it in secrete. In all over the country specially Balochistan Province still burning. so many peoples were killed and arrested, The result of Bugti killing will be is very strick and long lasting battle will be between government and Balochistan peoples. Story is very lengthy but I try to short it.
"Written by Domki Baloch"
Bugti has made a really good quote in the economist "What is better than seeing your enemies driven before you and then taking their women to bed" Economist July 1, 2006 He is not a warlord at least they have morals, he is a crook. 64.173.196.113 22:44, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Reply: well he also proudly claims to have killed his first victim at age 12 and murdered many others. He also controls a private militia and tries to exercise power over an area. I think this qualifies him a warlord. Most warlords are also thieves. 159.53.46.141 01:13, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
This article is full of a lot of extras which are not part of a biography. There are a lot of missing quotes etc. 67.118.46.150 18:42, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I edited the article extensively. But there is someone who keeps reverting the article back to its earlier biased version. Even in its current state, there's a lot more that can be added. Sandbreak 16:30, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] :):):)
better. :) Spinster678 06:10, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
The quotes from Bugti are from the Economist why do you dont want those? 69.239.131.66 18:22, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Vandalism
Someone keeps vandalizing this page with blatant POV statements and propaganda. I did my best to get rid of all the hyperbolic statements but that same person reverted it. Just take a look at the terrible grammar of the article to figure out that this isn't encyclopedic quality. Also, there are a ton of factual errors that im not going to bother dealing with right now. I just wish that people who talk about things on the talk page rather than using wikipedia as their propaganda machine. Sandbreak 16:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
The only one vandalising is Sandblast or whatever. The section is disupted and that should be listed. 69.239.131.66 18:12, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Truth and facts
Biography should only have historical facts not propaganda! 64.173.196.127 01:18, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Vandalism
What a bunch of garbage. This page is crying out for an edit. I have twice attempted to rewrite this page but someone keeps on reverting them. Also, im assuming that this same person, keeps deleting any comments on the talk page so as to completely ban discussion on the topic. Sandbreak 16:42, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
I have tried time and time again to edit this page but someone continues to vandalize this page....This page may have to be protected. Sandbreak 15:37, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
what do you think will happen, will akber bugti win or lose this war??? 202.70.148.45 09:07, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
government is showing fake press conferences in which so called 'Bugti Commanders' are laying down their arms and switching over to the governments side, its all a big farce. Bugti's resistance force is strong AlhumduLillah and fighting in all corners of Balochistan!!!!! Spinster678 16:40, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
i donot agree what is written above infact Nawab's grip on its people is going loose day by day because you cannot cheat people too long. Sui will progress & the cheater will be punished thats sure. King Tanoli 17:56, 22 July 2006
I myself have edited this page to include only facts but Spinster678 keeps vandalizing it with his pro-Bugti nonsense. On this happy occasion of Bugti's death,I will edit this page again.
A user named Khoikhoi keeps meddling in this article without knowing anything about Akbar Bugti. I keep putting in an article that has not POV but it keeps being deleted by Khoikhoi and a couple of other pro-Bugti fanatics. Both of them need to stay away from this article.
- Please review WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL. Now, tell me what part of the article is POV please. —Khoikhoi 23:45, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Ha ha ha, I love this article! The bizarre grammar and capitalization, the un-encyclopedic tone, the frequent non-sequiturs... this is comedy gold! My favorites: "...but he lives by laws more than a thousand years old", "(We must keep in mind that one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter)"...
[edit] Article is full of errors
I also dont agree with the author of this clearly biased article. I'm not a fan of Mr Bugti but i've at least attempted to write this article in a non-biased manner. The author has consistently added his own POV into the article.
Have a nice day! Sandbreak 18:43, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Hey click on this link or open in media player to listen to his interview after 3rd. July 2006 when a third attempt was made on his life by pakistan army which his tribesmen foiled!!! http://balochwarna.org/bvoice/audio/Interview%20of%20Nawab%20Bugti%20in%20detail%20about%20Army%20operation%20in%20Dera%20Bugti.wma 202.70.152.180 15:15, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Did i not predict that this page would be vandalized. Unfortunately, some don't realize that wikipedia is an Encyclopedia which is commited to neutrality. It isn't that hard to understand. Sandbreak 17:29, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
His familly found out about this page and i am sure about that his son(shahzwar) could have done it
[edit] Question
Does anyone know what his name is in the Balochi language? We have his Urdu name, but it would also be good if we could have it in his native tongue. —Khoikhoi 23:34, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
His name is the same in Urdu and Balochi or any other language for that matter.
- I don't understand - Urdu is an Indo-Aryan language while Balochi is an Iranian language. Wouldn't his name be pronounced (hence spelled) differently? They're different languages. —Khoikhoi 21:26, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
nothing about his personal jails, and marriages of women with Koran? That's amazing.
[edit] What happened??
Spinster678 reverted the article to a much earlier version, thus deleting everyone's edits. Spinster, this is the place to explain what your grievances are. Please don't do that again. —Khoikhoi 08:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Death
I put an npov tag on the death section, and added a bit which states that the circumstances are unclear. I hope that this will be sufficient for the moment. 69.221.94.250 20:06, 28 August 2006 (UTC) (aka Lockesdonkey)
- User:69.193.105.21 deleted my NPOV tag. This is out of protocol. I am reinstating it. Whether or not the assertions made by 69.193.105.21's sources are true is immaterial; it has to be verified and accurately, fairly, and objectively represent all sides of the issue, which these sources do not do. I would edit it myself for neutrality, but lacking any knowledge of Bugti's existance until a few hours ago, and knowing nothing about his death except that it is the result of Pakistani government action, I feel I am unqualified. Lockesdonkey 22:53, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Reason for revert
I have restored the article to the updated version that contains much more information about his death, and less irrelevant info about provinces of Pakistan. I have asked Spinster repeatedly what his issues are but he still has not replied... —Khoikhoi 02:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The title of this page
Shouldn't this be moved to Akbar Bugti or Akbar Shahbaz Bugti? We don't see the Arnold Schwarzenegger article at "Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger". —Khoikhoi 02:21, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- "Akbar Bugti".--16:13, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Please Chenge
This is the most biased article on wikipedia. Akbar Bugti killed so many of his own people how can he be potrayed as a hero. Please redo and give a true picture.
[edit] Scrap it
This has just got to be the most baised piece of writing on Wikipedia. It's full of pro-Bugti propaganda and that too written as if scribbled by an emotional Balochi teen. Kindly someone give this piece a scrubbing.
[edit] Haha
If thats what I am, I wonder what that makes you (since you're anti-Bugti), I really do!
[edit] biased!
I dont know who mr Bugti is, heard about him on tv and thought should check it out here. but it seems article is biased.
it needs to be edited and POVs need to be cut out of it.
This article is very biased. It is almost as if the author is proud that Bugti killed so many people. Disgrace to the Wikipedia. Please scrub.
[edit] JESUS!!!
Hold your horses boys, whats the rush? let the body be found then change the profile as much as you please! :) let it be for now, hes not JIMMY HOFFA! wait for the body to be found..
[edit] Requesting clean-up
Speaking as someone who doesn't particularly have an opinion on this fellow, his movement, or anything other than the quality of the article one way or the other, I'm putting in a request for clean-up. This is quite possibly the sloppiest, poorly-written, non-biographical-contented, non-NPOV "biography" article I've ever seen on Wikipedia. Considering that it concerns a current event, to say it needs attention is the understatement of the century (or at least the day). Hiddekel 15:06, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- I removed my request, as 69.193.105.21's revert seems to have cleaned up the article considerably on its own. Hiddekel 16:40, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- I was surprised to see this comment - had spent a good bit of time 28 august copy-editing it - and realized it had gone through many reverts and re-reverts - but as of now it seems to be holding up ... but it still needs more references and ground data. Mukerjee 05:21, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Bugti's ideology on religion
Was Bugti an Islamist cleric who loved the Sharia?--Patchouli 15:21, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Reply: Actually no because Sharia doesn't permit one to have his own personal jails.
- "Hezbollah guerrillas took the two soldiers in a cross-border raid on July 12, which prompted 34 days of Israeli airstrikes in Lebanon."[1] Hassan Nasrallah has personal jails operating under the auspices of Hezbollah.--16:08, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Bugti was never the religious type of man, he styled himself as a Baluch nationalist and one may not understand it, but having long facial hair is a male tradition among the Baluch people who regard the beard and moustache as a sense of pride and seniority in their tribal clans, nothing to do religion just because Baluch sardars have beards. One can safely assume Nawab Akbar Bugti was a secular nationalist who actually despised the involvement of clerics in politics.Suprah™ 11:16, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Beard Is Gift to Balouch by God and it Pride of Balouch.Khalidkhoso 04:49, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Personal Jails and marriages of women with Koran?
Nothing about his personal jails, and how Bugti and his clan used to torture his rivals?
Also...I am surprised to see that there is nothing about force marriages of women to Koran? It is a common practice among Waderas and Nawabs. They usually force their female family members to marry to Koran (if there is mo male available from the family)so that the family wealth won't go outside of family.
Firstly son i myself am related to the tribe and theres no such thing as marriage with quran.... you should do your research from some other source my friend & secondly theres no such thing to keep the wealth in the family. If you are talking about inidan nawabs,,, then I cant say but in Baluchistan nothing like this ever happened atleast not in bugti tribe where someone forced some body to get married with Quran....
Yes, these issues should be included in the article, --Uchohan 04:53, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
- Bugti had his own militia like Hassan Nasrallah. How come no one talks about Hezbollah's jails used to keep captured Israelis? Therefore, there is no need to single out Bugti.--16:18, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Pakistan
I am quite surprised that so many Pakistanis believe there own leaders propaganda considering Musharraf is a dictator an as such cannot be anything but a tyrant.
Why should the Balooch people tolerate their gas being exported when they see none of the benefit? Why should they not fight back when injustice is done to them, it seems to me that the Punjabis have lost their Islamic values in their migration from India.
Such a comment is absolutely inappropriate for an encyclopedia discussion to have.--Uchohan 04:40, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
reply: Pakistanis understand their country quite well and none can brainwash them, they also don't believe Musharraf is a dictator.
RE: "it seems to me that the Punjabis have lost their Islamic values"
- I don't see what the good of Islamic values are. Iranians voted for an Islamic theocracy in March 1979, but they get no share of that nation's oil revenues while Kuwaitis do.--08:56, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Oxford and Killing a man at age twelve, inacurrate?
According to this article he liked to juice journalists up with crazy stories, especially that he went to Oxford and that he killed a man when he was 11 or 12. Which is pretty cool, actually :-D
