Talk:Airstream mechanism
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[edit] disputed
"No known languages use pulmonic ingressive sounds,"
- What about gasping, sniffing, snorting, whiffing, snoring, and snickering? lysdexia 12:07, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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- Much as English-speakers use certain clicks, such as the dental click to show disapproval, and the lateral click to call a horse, we don't assert that clicks are a part of English phonology because we don't use them to produce words. Much as clicks are what we call "extra-linguistic" sounds in English, gasps, sniffs, etc., are extra-linguistic sounds in all languages because they don't form a part of any languge's phonology. Nohat 21:19, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Ingressive "yeah" in Newfoundland, Canada
I've often heard people from Newfoundland (and other parts of the maritimes) give an affirmative "yeah" with an inhalation.
I originally misunderstood this as a gasp, and took it for an indication of alarm. It was the first "inhaled" word I ever heard, and had to do quite a bit of digging to find the term "pulmonic ingressive."
So, I disagree with the comment that the only known use of ingressives is Damin.
- That should be understood to mean in "normal" (non-interjective) vocab. Lots of langs have ingressive interjections, including Ewe and Swedish. But then lots of languages have interjective clicks, such as English, but these aren't considered to be click languages. Interjections frequently violate the norms of a lang's phonology. Consider Eng. "shhh", when it cannot otherwise have fricative-only words. kwami 17:38, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] intro
I wasn't happy when 'airstream mechanism' was merged into this article, and the result seemed a bit inaccessible, so I moved Nohat's original explanation into the introduction, and addressed the concerns about interjections. Also redefined 'velaric' somewhat so as to be consistant with recent work on Khoisan, which has found that for some languages at least this initiation isn't velaric at all. kwami 08:08, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] move?
Should this be moved to 'airstream mechanism', where Nohat made his contributions? That's the term I'm familiar with from SOWL and other texts, whereas 'initiation' doesn't even make it into the index. kwami (talk) 09:48, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
