Talk:Airedale terrier
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[edit] Photos
Need better photos. There is one in this foreign-language wiki but I can't read the language & so don't know if it's a valid license. Elf | Talk 20:20, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- What do you want photos of?
Rather than a photo, unless you want to display the change in the Airedale terrier from its origins to its present look, what would be of more help would be a graphic of the breed standard, which probably could be obtained from one of the breed clubs(talk) 00:14, 56 September 28, 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.49.93.6 (talk)
Wikipedia articles do not promote breed standards for dogs, as this would be a violation of our neutrality. Standards are often conflicting internationally, and making the value judgment that a dog that meets the standard is better is a distinct POV. VanTucky Talk 19:01, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Move requested: Capitalization of dog breed names
From Wikipedia:Requested moves:
- Talk:Airedale Terrier - Airedale Terrier → Airedale terrier, and likewise for the 42 other articles in Category:Terriers. I don't think terrier is a proper noun in English, so it should properly be lowercased to follow Wikipedia convention. --Quuxplusone 7 July 2005 22:42 (UTC)
The most popular name for an male airedale is Dale and for a female it is Libby
Result: Voting closed (1 for, 3 oppose); no move to be done. Elf | Talk 01:01, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
Votes and discussions:
Can someone please explain why this article, and every single other article on terrier breeds, have capitalized "terrier"? As far as I know, terrier is not a proper noun in English, and in fact it's not capitalized in most of the articles' texts. I would like to see all the "Foo Terrier" articles moved to "Foo terrier," in keeping with Wikipedia conventions for article titles. --Quuxplusone 7 July 2005 22:39 (UTC)
- Oppose. Like Washington Monument, Foo Terrier is a proper noun, even though monument and terrier are not. Google on over to dog breeds terrier and you will see that terrier is consistently capitalized when naming a specific breed. Dragons flight July 7, 2005 23:43 (UTC)
- Oppose. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Dog breeds various discussions & archives and List of dog breeds--decided quite a long time ago that names of breeds are proper nouns (most books, breed stds, kennel clubs, etc. also treat them that way) and that's the way it's done all thru wikipedia articles for breed names. If the breed name isn't capitalized in an article, it's an oversight. Of course "terrier" by itself, as "hound", "dog", "spaniel", etc. by itself, is not capitalized, as it's not part of a proper breed name. Elf | Talk 8 July 2005 05:56 (UTC)
- Oh, yeah, so if you want to propose a different strategy for capitalization of dog breeds, the place to bring it up is at the dog breeds project, not here. And IF people were to agree to change for all dog breeds (which I think is unlikely), be prepared to make many thousands of edits throughout Wikipedia. :-) Elf | Talk 8 July 2005 06:15 (UTC)
- Oppose I couldn't find any relevant general discussion, but all-caps seems to be the standard at the Wikiproject and in titles of articles in Category:Dog breeds. Note that although the dog breeders' associations support this convention, in general writing I doubt that most authors would write this way (see my reference to the style guides below). It may make sense to propose changing the convention (updating a thousand articles is no obstacle, we have unlimited time and volunteers), but for now let's remain consistent. —Michael Z. 2005-07-12 19:52 Z
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- OK, I went digging and here's one discussion anyway; here's another brief note. Elf | Talk 21:33, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Discussion
Is it correct to capitalize the breed ("the Poodle is an intelligent animal") but not an individual of the breed ("the poodle chased the wolf")? —Michael Z. 2005-07-8 06:14 Z
- No, because "Poodle" is a breed name. Unlike "terrier", which is a type of dog, there is no "poodle" type--it's only a breed name. Hence, "the Poodle chased the wolf." Elf | Talk 8 July 2005 06:18 (UTC)
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- Guardian: dogs lc: alsatian, doberman, rottweiler, yorkshire terrier; but Irish setter, old English sheepdog. [1]
- Times: dogs l/c with most breeds, such as alsatian, borzoi, labrador, rottweiler, though there are obvious exceptions such as West Highland terrier, Yorkshire terrier, Jack Russell etc. [2]
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[edit] Courage of Airedales
I'm given to understand from the works of John Hunter, (author and big game hunter in the early part of the last century), and others, that the airedales are the only dogs that will willingly close with a lion, as opposed to just flushing one from cover or holding one at bay. Though this proves to be universely fatal for the courageous dog in question. I've also read of two other fairly believable accounts of this happening. BigDon 21:40, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
That will need citing. "believability" is not an issue, just make sure you have a source that can sand scrutiny. The Phantom N 02:02, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
There are a variety of accounts of the courage of ADTs. It appears to have been bred in deliberately, to the point where they may well die rather than stop fighting. I do however question that statement in the article about a single ADT killing a bear. I can believe they would make the attempt, but would expect the bear to win a one-on-one fight every time. A bear can tolerate a great deal of damage and just get mad. If it struck the dog a single time I would expect the dog to be instantly killed or crippled. Ken McE 23:40, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- Again, remember that the sole test for inclusion is verifiability in reliable, published sources. VanTucky (talk) 00:15, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Having had an Airedale for fifteen years, and being familiar with others of the breed, I can testify that the Airedale will not back down from an altercation, no matter what the size of the opponent (this is a general statement, but there are so many incidents that verify the trait that it has been generally accepted as part of the descrition of the breed. My dog has confronted both bull terriers and dobermann pinschers (the Doce was atleast 4 inches taller at the shoulder and many pounds heavier), and in both cases, the Airedale never hesitated to show dominance, and refused to back down from a challenge. The Airedale even challenged horses and cattle, as if he could not identify the size disadvantage. So attacking a lion or a bear, is not out of the realm of plausability, although I would not agree that the Airedale is the only breed to do so. And in fact, most lion hunts, specifically mountain lions/cougars (North America) entailled an Airedale or tow, along with hounds to track and keep the cat at bay. One of the key traits of the Airedale that makes him likely to keep on fighting, even if injured, it the Airedales' tolerance to pain. It is a trait that has caused many worries for owners. Despite injuries, an Airedale will not disclose pain, so an owner will rarely know if the dog is hurting. again, by personal experience: when I pulled my Airedale away from another dog (both dogs had their teeth into the other dogs neck, although it appeared that the other dog had a relatively weak grip, while my Airedale had much of the other dog's neck between his jaws), I walked my Airedale to a corner of the park, away from his adversary - looking back, the other dog was lying on the ground whimpering and licking his wounds - while my Airedale gave a good shake as if to state, "okay, that was fun, now what can we do for some more fun?". Knowing the Airedale's thick skin, I stopped to do a thorough check of my dog - everything seemed fine, until I ran my fingers between the fur around his neck - it was soaked in blood, and on furthe examination, I found gaping holes in his skin, but none of this seemed to affect the Airedale - he was totally oblivious to the wound. (talk) 14:45, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
- According to a character on a TV episode I just watched, an Airdale terrier was knighted by the King of England. Obviously, a TV episode is not a reliable source, but maybe someone else knows the truth (if any) behind the story. —MJBurrage(T•C) 20:19, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Advertisement.
I am tempted to put the advert tag here. The article is not written in an entirely detached manner and it tends toward anthropomorphism. It actually says that this breed has a sense of humor.--Counsel 23:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
- I will take a closer look at the article. The breed may not have a sense of humor, but they certainly can act like fools. Michaelbusch 00:34, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
- I've done a bit of clean-up. The article still needs work. Michaelbusch 01:38, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
They have something that is very like a sense of humor. Perhaps it is a sense of mischief?Ken McE 23:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Eyes
Under "Eyes" it says
- Some Airedales do suffer from eye diseases, such as congenital retina condition. This is Nigel, a young Airedale, suffering from congenital retina condition, and totally blind by the age of six years.
This is followed by a ref to http://mojoairedale.blogspot.com. The reffed page does not contain the word "retina" and the one occurrence of "eye" refers to humans. The picture shows a dog with white irises. IANA veterinarian or an opthamologist, but it looks like cataracts to me. I suppose it's possible for a retinal condition to make the retina so reflective that the eyes look white, but it seems unlikely, and I have never heard of such. Randall Bart Talk 20:27, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
- I've fixed the article somewhat - that isn't a suitable reference. The picture here lists it as a degenerative retinal condition and what you are seeing here is indeed the retina - a dog's pupils usually fill almost the entire exposed eye. Michaelbusch (talk) 20:30, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Humor.. what?
The Airedale is a dog with a great sense of humor. For those who can laugh along with their Airedale, the dog can provide a unique and entertaining company. Need I say more? o_O
[edit] Largest Terrier?
The article states that Airedale is the largest terrier. I'm not a dog expert but I'm pretty sure that Black Russian Terrier should have that title, not Airedale. --Haxflo (talk) 01:05, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
