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[edit] Location

Air Methods' address is 7301 South Peoria Street. Enter this address at the US Postal Service's ZIP code finder at http://zip4.usps.com/zip4/zcl_0_results.jsp, along with the city "Centennial" and the state "CO", and the following postally-standardized address is returned:

7301 S PEORIA ST

CENTENNIAL CO 80112-4133

The official map of the City of Englewood can be downloaded at the city's website at http://www.englewoodgov.org/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=651. Nowhere on this map will you find a Peoria Street.

The official map of the City of Centennial can be downloaded at the city's website at http://www.centennialcolorado.com/DocumentView.asp?DID=366 The City of Englewood lies northwest of Centennial. Peoria Street is in the central portion of Centennial, some eight miles east of Englewood.

So, according to the Denver Business Journal, Air Methods is "in Englewood". But DBJ is only reflecting the company's choice to use that city in its mailing address. It may be a reference, but how good of a reference is it if it is simply regurgitating information, information that is misleading?

Is the Denver Business Journal a more reliable reference than the database of the United States Postal Service? Is the Denver Business Journal a more reliable reference than maps provided on official city websites?

My edit presents both facts that these references support: the fact that Air Methods is located (much) nearer to Centennial than it is to Englewood, and that "Englewood" is commonly indicated as the company's location.

- Watkinsian 06:28, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Categorization

I propose that the category "Companies based in Englewood" be replaced with "Companies based in Colorado". I have previously made this edit, but it was quickly reverted by another editor. In a good faith effort to avoid inciting another edit war, I'll simply add "Companies based in Colorado" at this time. Hopefully this action will not be accused of being vandalism or of degrading the article, as my previous edits were. I'm also hopeful that, since it is fairly self-evident that the company is located in Colorado, that this action won't be accused of being original research.

That being said, please consider the following reasons for the category replacement:

1. "Companies based in Englewood" is a "redlined" category. This category has not even been created.

2. There are at least six unique place names in the United States alone with the name "Englewood". This category is ambiguous.

3. It seems to me that a category "Companies based in XXX" should be reserved for countries, states or major cities. Englewood, Colorado has an employment population of only 23,500. By comparison, nearby Denver has nearly 537,000 jobs - over twenty times that number. Englewood is a rather obscure location to be having its own category for companies based there.

4. This is related to item 3. It seems to me that a category is only useful when there are at least a few dozen articles that can actually be categorized with it. Again, Englewood is hardly a major employment center and only a few articles can be categorized as "Companies based in Englewood". It simply isn't very meaningful or useful to readers.

Finally, regarding this specific article:

5. Aviation Technology Group uses Englewood, Colorado in its mailing address. However, the company is actually not located in the city; in fact, one must leave the city limits of Englewood and travel several miles through another city (Centennial, Colorado) in order to reach the company's location. Therefore, the category "Companies based in Englewood" is misleading. To correct this, a more suitable name for the category would be "Companies using Englewood in their mailing address". This category, however, would be even more obscure - and overly pedantic.

Faced with the choice of a redlined, ambiguous, obscure, useless and misleading category ("Companies based in Englewood") on the one hand, and a pedantic one on the other ("Companies using Englewood in their mailing address"), it seems the best choice would be to use neither.

"Companies based in Colorado" is an established category, is unmistakeable, is meaningful to readers and has several dozen applicable articles. It should be fully adequate to provide a geographical categorization for this article.

-- Watkinsian (talk) 21:11, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Concur...I really don't care about the cat, that's not the issue. The issue with me is that the articles reflect the official location. For air carriers, this issue has deeper ramifications than you might realize. AKRadeckiSpeaketh 21:15, 16 November 2007 (UTC)