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[edit] Domestic/International

Please note the latest edit by Huaiwei to merge the domestic and international sections. (Click here to see the version prior to the edit) The same edit took place at the China Southern Airlines destinations article. — Instantnood 22:14, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)

Do note, that User:Instantnood split the listing into "domestic/regional" when creating this page out of the Air China article without notice, and despite no other pages except the Varig page using such a listing format. I would strongly urge a depoliticising of such lists, and a conformity to established formats.--Huaiwei 22:36, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I admit it was my personal judgement, after referencing the list of Lufthansa and Varig, to slightly modify the list, that I think this way of presentation is more logical and convenient to readers. As far as I know (I can be wrong) there is no naming conventions, manual of style or wikiproject governing how airline destination lists should be presented. Either way won't be wrong. I prefer, and will advocate having separate sections for domestic and international destinations, but I remain open to other people's opinion. — Instantnood 22:45, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)
There is as yet little evidence whether Instantnood actually refered to those two pages before making the moves, or he was forced to look through the entire listing before finding only two examples after I pointed out it was contrary to formatting which has been in use here, so I would think that comment should be ignored. There is little need to seperate "domestic" and "international", because the country and sub-regional headings would have made this clear, if this distinction was ever neccesary. In addition, I am blissfully against anyone attempting to modify pages when political motivations can be reasonably suspected to be present.--Huaiwei 23:06, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Lists of destinations also exist for airline articles which do not separate articles for destinations. In other words, there might actually be more than 2 examples. I can still recall there were more than 2. Speculation is not valid reason to reject alternative proposals. If political motivations can be reasonably suspected to suggesting alternatives, the same apply to resisting. — Instantnood 23:40, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)
Many of these articles refered above are small lists which have not been adapted to comply to the formats adopted so far. If there are, they probably need to be changed. "Speculation" has often been used to ban and remove memebers with POV problems in this site, so I do not consider this as an exception. The people who oppose vandalism and political advocaters are similarly gulty of "POV" and "political motives", going by the above argument. That would include admins who ban people, I suppose?--Huaiwei 23:48, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I see a need to separate domestic and international destinations, and not limited to Air China and China Southern, but all lists of destinations. You don't have to agree with me, and I respect your right of opinion. Afterall the format isn't an established one and agreed upon by going through setting up of naming conventions or wikiproject. — Instantnood 00:08, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
As mentioned above, there is no need to. The country or region of that airline makes this self explainatory. I hardly think an "international" tag encompassing all entries in Singapore Airlines destinations is a major advancement in knowledge, unless people need to realise all flights out of Singapore are international because they are crossing an international boundary.--Huaiwei 00:34, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
It might look superfluous for Singapore, but for carriers from other countries, such as the States, Germany, India or Brazil, it would be helpful, and it looks nice. Readers can promptly tell what are the destinations a carrier serves in the domestic market. Some carriers are the home carriers of more than one country, say, SAS and Gulf. — Instantnood 07:22, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
"Look nice" isnt exactly a great reason to change all lists. Categorising destinations by country and regions already tells the reader which destinations are local, and which inernational. It is nothing short of superflous. This is like adding a "Female" heading above a listing of "Air Stewardesses".--Huaiwei 08:29, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Flights to Sao Paulo

I have done an extensive search and have found no website that states Air China plans flights to São Paulo. In 2005 a code share with Lufthansa was organised, but code share destinations do not count. Duly removed. If you replace it, please tell me where you got this information from. Kransky 12:46, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[1], based on [2]. Good for a revert?--Huaiwei 13:18, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Flights to/from Hong Kong and Macao are not domestic

User:24.86.105.169 " Some of the destinations listed below are being operated by rival carriers, including China Eastern, China Southern..etc " to the article [3]. Since Hong Kong and Macao are " inalienable both part[s] of the People's Republic of China " as according to their constitutional documents, yet flights between Hong Kong or Macao with the rest of the People's Republic of China aren't considered domestic, I found it necessary to define what domestic is [4], or else the article would be confusing. Yet user:Huaiwei has blocked such edits that are intended to make the article clearer [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14]. Is there any better way other than having a footnote, and user:Huaiwei would be happy with? — Instantnood 20:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cargo

Some user has unecessarily created a seprate page for Air China Cargo and removed their list of Cargo destinations from this page and not even added them to the new article, just breifly mention Air China Cargo serving Asia, Europe, North America and Oceania, they have also not provided any information that the new article has been created nor given a link to it in the main Air China article page.

There is actually no need for creating a separate page for any airlines Cargo branch in all honesty, its just a waste to seperate it from the parent company, better to have information on it in the parent comapny's main article page and include the destinations in the destination page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.209.92.220 (talk) 18:21, 22 April 2007 (UTC).